[Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar

Tue Jan 25 22:22:38 UTC 2022

For the record: I was on the call and took the suggested actions. There
were more than 500 people on the call, according to Medea. Larry Wilkerson
gave a shout-out to Yemen WPR, which I appreciated.

Now we'll see how many people are on the Yemen call at 7pm CT.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 4:08 PM Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in
> Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's
> nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy
> war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war
> is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has
> destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which
> is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about
> this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to
> improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't
> sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine
> once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a
> Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the
> big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on
> the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of
> starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a
> nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that?
> It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything.
>
> Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote
> sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians
> intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight
> Russia over Syria.
>
> They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> You’re right about Yemen, it’s a terrible situation, one which was
>> created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of
>> Libya and Syria.
>>
>> That doesn’t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of
>> Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during
>> the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3.
>>
>> For those so certain the US isn’t insane, and won’t go to war with
>> Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy’s and having Ukraine
>> destroyed in a proxy war doesn’t bother them at all.
>>
>> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another
>> Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region
>> specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3.
>>
>> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever
>> over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same
>> concern, is insulting.
>>
>> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself:
>>
>> I have more articles if anyone is interested.
>>
>> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/
>>
>> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../
>> <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fraymcgovern.com%2F2022%2F01%2F23%2Fperfidious-albion-giving-grist-to-nyt%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2ILirkN93s1nZcckTPemRbTBXvU3f5SLJo-PcQDrpprE2lRdhGMFqqvtA&h=AT3KLz-SU_m0WuubsmLju_TtI0y67N02zQD8KrotYF56k4liIQmfme8fNHrZ_E-DznBsr42QA4nEUmCdNjfM5aO_g7VUtdSFSJX5aLo8EuTZixwIBZH-PdQO0NRb6QwQ7pStJmk&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT3I2vkorbr6_pGXS0Avxt-MWOiY2nDtm4mvshP_InAS7XQW3hdvFKbYT6urDmFDsLtrnCaPoIWGozg2lf_UemxZBDRejHaHUGaD0UuGOU2s5sBob0KtT0gNytd5VSszFXMSD2ANnmdrVU6urm9iW7fflNfwlc9JWU8E-6nIEeCI49Cg8jZ5_IG6iuNQSHuHPBh0sX10MVqUJwd7G8Tw>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs
>>
>>
>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/
>>
>>
>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over
>> Ukraine, please raise your hand.
>>
>> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia
>> over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria,
>> why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This
>> is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But
>> whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not
>> insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few
>> thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose
>> more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the
>> German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away.
>>
>> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your
>> own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough
>> on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of
>> Champaign-Urbana.
>>
>> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today
>> at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How
>> many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob
>> media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people
>> running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death
>> because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation
>> of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of
>> 1973?
>>
>> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who
>> don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media:
>>
>> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a
>> briefing from Yemenis.
>> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET)
>> RSVP HERE. <https://www.codepink.org/yemenemergencyaction>
>> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication
>> infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet.
>> Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People
>> in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to
>> engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be
>> briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the
>> tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We
>> need all hands on deck."
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible
>>> deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to
>>> Ukraine.
>>>
>>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for
>>> Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war.
>>>
>>> At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th,
>>>
>>> *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: *
>>>
>>> *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522
>>> <https://www.codepink.org/092522?recruiter_id=428144>*
>>>
>>> *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin
>>> and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry
>>> Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of
>>> staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his
>>> military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has
>>> been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before
>>> diplomacy.
>>>
>>> *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE!
>>> <https://www.codepink.org/092522?recruiter_id=428144>*
>>>
>>> *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000
>>> international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result
>>> in war between the world’s two most heavily armed nuclear states – the
>>> United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the
>>> U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated
>>> solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made
>>> with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a
>>> member of NATO.*
>>>
>>> RSVP for today’s webinar and send a message to your representatives in
>>> Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over
>>> Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation.
>>>
>>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new
>>> escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have
>>> encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk
>>> II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They
>>> have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in
>>> Eastern Ukraine. *
>>>
>>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO’s eastern expansion to its
>>> borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008,
>>> when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO
>>> membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat"
>>> to Russia.
>>>
>>> *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the
>>> dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly
>>> not be expanding to include Ukraine. *
>>>
>>> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have
>>> done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War
>>> to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to
>>> expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either
>>> Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact.
>>>
>>> *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time
>>> to speak out is now! *
>>>
>>> *Join the webinar* <https://www.codepink.org/092522?recruiter_id=428144>
>>> on the crisis in Ukraine and *tell Congress not to let Biden send
>>> troops to Eastern Europe!
>>> <https://www.codepink.org/ukraine_congress?e=38045e0b248b322e5a3a8b9d6b8774fb&utm_source=codepink&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ukraine_emergency_3&n=11>*
>>>
>>> Towards peace,
>>>
>>> *Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley,
>>> Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison,
>>> Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie *
>>>
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