From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 00:52:31 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 19:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] An exchange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A good question for U.S. peace advocates to ask themselves right now is: "Am I standing next to Putin's bombing of civilians in Ukraine right now?" If you're standing next to Putin's bombing of civilians in Ukraine right now, why call yourself a peace advocate? Why not just call yourself a Putin advocate? If the shoe fits, wear it. On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:08 AM karen aram via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Mort > > I couldn?t agree with you more. This has been my point, and you have said > it so well. I?m pleased to see Colleen Rowley's statement supporting your > views as well. It?s interesting in that she a former CIA legal expert > sounds very much like Noam Chomsky, on this very topic in warning what may > come if the USG doesn?t stop expanding Nato. > > There are many of us taking this position, but unfortunately most people > and some of the peace groups are focusing too much on simply ?anti-war, > stop the fighting.? Which is not going to solve the problem, when focusing > on other nations, governments than their own. It provides a veneer of that > which is not a simple, "russia is bad," that the USG and our corporate > owned media promotes. > > Thank you > > > On Mar 2, 2022, at 10:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: > > You might be interested. I thought I would wade into this blast at Russia > by these peace groups. My initial remarks were to Marcy at CODEPINK, a > group I?ve usually supported. > > Mort > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *"Morton K. Brussel" > *Subject: **Re: [wbw-discussion] CODEPINK Statement: Russian Troops Out, > No NATO Expansion* > *Date: *March 2, 2022 at 5:05:56 PM CST > *To: *Marcy Winograd > *Cc: *"Morton K. Brussel" , "rowleyclan at earthlink.net" > , "" < > wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com> > > Naive, and worse, in that the statement overlooks(?) and ignores the > reason for this crisis in the first place. The US-NATO-Ukraine refusal to > consider what Putin/Russia was reasonably demanding for strategic > stability, its security. You don?t ask why there was such denial. And now > we have a state of turmoil looking, as was the initial intention, to demean > and demonize Russia. Who will profit for this? > > On Mar 2, 2022, at 11:54 AM, Marcy Winograd > wrote: > > Just to be clear, CODEPINK's principal positions are: Russian troops out > of Ukraine, Ceasefire now, Negotiations without preconditions, > No NATO Expansion, Neutrality for Ukraine, No weapons to Ukraine, only > humanitarian support; No blanket sanctions that will hurt > the Russian people as opposed to the oligarchs. > > I disagree with those who condemn peace groups for opposing the war in > Ukraine, the full-scale Russian invasion and high-alert nuclear > status. Putin's military aggression, not the peace movement's objection to > war as a problem-solver, is what will empower NATO and the most > warmongering elements of our government. One can be anti-imperialist > without being pro-war. > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:04 AM rowleyclan at earthlink.net < > rowleyclan at earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Exactly right, Morton! It's amazing how so much US-NATO imperialist >> history of illegal wars of aggression and inciting of violent regime >> changes in dozens of foreign countries (all to achieve their >> well-publicized goal since WWII of achieving unipolar, full spectrum >> dominance) is so quickly and fully erased in the minds of the various >> "peace" groups here, making their response to the situation in Ukraine so >> one-sided. This morphing of liberal "peace" groups and lessening of >> internal resistance to US-NATO's bloody trajectory (since the costs of >> war upon Americans were made nearly invisible after Vietnam >> ) >> already became more obvious with Obama-Hillary's continuation of post 9-11 >> wars and bombing of Libya and Syria. >> >> But living in this imperial, exceptionalist and so effectively >> propagandized U.S.-NATO bubble makes it understandably difficult for most, >> even in the "peace movement" to remain fully empathetic with those >> foreigners experiencing the actual costs of war and >> objective/critical-thinking in their assessment of proportional blame for >> the current bloodshed. Unfortunately we see most "peace" groups here quite >> seduced by Samantha Power type "humanitarian imperialism," subsequently >> engaging more to protest the "enemy" Russia than to protest their own >> government's greater responsibility. Obviously it takes two to tango so >> it's true both sides bear some (although not equal) responsibility in >> launching this war. But the task for Americans should be to protest our >> own government's actions instead of demonizing/protesting Russia and >> siding, even somewhat siding, with U.S.-NATO's actions and continued war >> propaganda. >> >> So while it IS fine and good for the Russian people to protest their >> own government's actions (and same for Ukrainians to protest their own >> government), it should be the same for Americans and Europeans, to protest >> their own governments' involvement. Americans who protest (the "enemy") >> Russia are just IMHO aiding and abetting U.S.-NATO's continued militarism >> and war plans, which almost always entail "leading from behind" by arming >> proxy forces, in this case using/exploiting poor Ukrainians. >> >> Coleen Rowley >> >> >> "Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the >> best." --Edward Abbey >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Morton K. Brussel >> Sent: Mar 1, 2022 11:20 PM >> To: Marcy Winograd >> Cc: Morton K. Brussel , < >> wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [wbw-discussion] CODEPINK Statement: Russian Troops Out, No >> NATO Expansion >> >> >> Marcy, >> I consider the current conflict as a continuation of US determination to >> remain a unipolar hegemon, and Russia (and China, Cuba, Venezuela,?) is one >> of the few powerful nations to oppose it. Russia is therefore considered >> to be an enemy of the US, and thus all is acceptable to undermine it. A >> similar logic applies for China. NATO is an instrument of this US policy, >> and Ukraine is a useful agent to further US aims. >> >> We all know that the US and NATO have violated international rules >> against aggressive wars multiple times, aggressions against Iraq, Libya, >> and Afghanistan, not to mention Yugoslavia, Syria and Palestine. Now that >> Russia has struck back, we have this chorus of condemnation. >> >> What is really at stake is whether the US can continue its imperial >> campaigns unhindered. Russia presents a major hindrance. >> >> Yes, it is horrible that civilians are caught in the middle of this >> struggle, but the fundmental reasons for the struggle are geopolitical. To >> have a stable world politically, the vital security interests of both >> sides must be respected. This has not been done, despite claims that there >> always exist nonviolent and just solutions. In some sense, as Putin has >> claimed, the attack on Ukraine is defensive. He has come to understand >> the US determination to subdue Russia, and he is trying to negate it, to >> deal with it. ?He" represents Russian interests. He may fail, but I >> sympathize with his quandary, just as I sympathize with those trapped in >> the middle of the conflict. Most people want peace, but not all, including >> the US administration and NATO which is delighted to have Ukrainians >> advance its ends. >> >> I?m outraged by US policies. The resistance by Russia to US/NATO >> depredations are mostly welcome, and I regret what many on the left are >> doing by their harsh condemnations of Russia. The ubiquity of >> these condemnations by peace groups serves to strengthen and mitigate the >> imperial acts of the US/NATO complex. This, despite supposedly balanced >> criticisms of US/NATO policies by some of these groups. >> >> ?mkb >> >> On Feb 28, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Marcy Winograd >> wrote: >> Morton, while there's no denying that NATO and the US have played a >> detrimental role in securing world peace & in encircling Russia and >> going back on promises, etc., the bottom line is none of that excuses the >> Russian invasion of Ukraine---war, as we say, is not the answer. As for >> the mention of Chernoybl, it must not be lost on any of us that there are >> 15 nuclear reactors in Ukraine, all of which pose a risk in normal times, >> let alone during a war when weapons, even if not intended, can hit a >> reactor to contaminate land and water. Putin's decision to issue veiled >> threats >> to launch nuclear weapons against NATO members and place his nuclear >> arsenal on high alert is way out of bounds and underscores the importance >> of nuclear abolition. Marcy >> >> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Morton K. Brussel >> wrote: >> >>> What is wrong with this statement is that it strongly condemns Russia, >>> but only criticizes US/NATO, and too late in the statement at that. >>> >>> NATO/US/Ukraine refused to consider the so-called red lines that Russia >>> warned should not be crossed. It disregards the Russian point of view. It >>> does not consider what the US would do if analogous threats were evident at >>> US borders. Russia asserted in writing what it considered *necessary >>> conditions* for its security, conditions ignored by NATO/US. Russia >>> could back off no further. On a related issue Ukraine/US/NATO talked about >>> the Minsk accords but in fact ignored those accords. Negotiations >>> went nowhere. >>> >>> So who is reponsible for what has now occurred? You have succumbed to a >>> bandwagon of condemnation. >>> >>> Moreover, alarmist and ignorant comments about the Chernobyl reactor are >>> ill considered; Russian forces have been very much aware that its safety >>> should be ensured. On the other hand, the nuclear issue should be front >>> and center on everybody?s mind. >>> >>> As for the rest, you make cogent points. But on the whole the statement >>> is disappointing. Meanwhile, more weaponry, troops are flooding into the >>> region and sanctions applied so as to weaken Russia, actions consistent >>> with prior statements on various occasions that Russia (and China) are US >>> enemies. >>> >>> Very dangerous. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Marcy Winograd >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://www.codepink.org/codepink_says_stop_the_war_in_ukraine_russian_troops_out_no_nato_expansion?fbclid=IwAR3LUenLt3rwZ890MA_wpP2ks3XB4kRlTRMqiwUTAchNWftxbkKxH1qdMHo >>> >>> >>> CODEPINK Says Stop the War in Ukraine: Russian Troops Out, No NATO >>> Expansion >>> >>> >>> CODEPINK strongly condemns Russia?s invasion of Ukraine, where over >>> 350,000 civilians have fled the country in fear of explosive weapons and >>> missile attacks, while remaining residents from eastern to western Ukraine >>> seek refuge in underground subways and bomb shelters. As an international >>> peace organization, we call for an immediate ceasefire, negotiations >>> without preconditions, withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine, an end to >>> NATO expansion and a return to the negotiating table to address the >>> security interests of all stakeholders. We stand in solidarity with the >>> Ukrainian people under vicious attack and with the thousands of courageous >>> Russian anti-war activists risking arrest and imprisonment to protest in >>> the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg. >>> >>> There is no military solution to the conflict over Ukraine, a country >>> caught in the crossfire between the United States and Russia, the world?s >>> two most heavily armed nuclear nations. While we denounce Putin?s >>> reckless veiled threat to launch nuclear weapons against NATO countries, we >>> also recognize the United States government is culpable in the >>> proliferation and deployment of nuclear weapons, and must reverse course on >>> its decision to pursue nuclear rearmament and instead advance verifiable >>> agreements for global nuclear disarmament. >>> >>> In condemning Putin?s invasion of a sovereign country, the shelling of a >>> Ukrainian hospital, the tanks closing in on Kyiv, we understand the U.S. >>> has played a major role in exacerbating this conflict, facilitating a 2014 >>> coup to overthrow the democratically elected leader of Ukraine and breaking >>> promises not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, where offensive missiles >>> in Romania and Poland could reach Russia in minutes. >>> >>> Though some will argue NATO is a defensive alliance of 30 countries, we >>> view NATO as a threat to world peace with its military encirclement of >>> Russia and support for U.S. military aggression in Kosovo, Afghanistan, >>> Iraq and Libya, where an estimated million died under a rain of bombs and >>> millions more were displaced. NATO?s aggressive stance on China, another >>> nuclear-armed nation, also threatens world peace and efforts to unite in >>> the face of existential climate catastrophe. >>> >>> In advance of the NATO summit in June, CODEPINK calls for an >>> international security agreement to protect the interests of all Europeans >>> to remain free from war and occupation. Such an agreement should have been >>> forged after the fall of the Soviet Union and dissolution of the Warsaw >>> Pact; instead the U.S. and NATO sought further militarization in a >>> continuance of the Cold War that spawned multiple hot wars, from Korea to >>> Vietnam. >>> >>> To prevent further fighting in Ukraine, to stop the loss of life, >>> bloodshed and grave environmental degradation from the bombing of munitions >>> plants, let us return to the 2015 Minsk II agreement that established a >>> blueprint for peace and an end to the civil war rocking eastern Ukraine. >>> Ukraine should be a neutral country; its incorporation into NATO should be >>> off the table as a starting point for diplomacy. >>> >>> During this perilous time, when further military escalation could >>> trigger a Chernobyl radioactive meltdown or push us to the brink of nuclear >>> annihilation, we urge President Biden and Congress to stop the flow of >>> weapons to Ukraine, offer humanitarian assistance and safe refuge instead, >>> renew lapsed arms control treaties (Anti-Ballistic Missile, Intermediate >>> Range Nuclear Forces, Open Skies) the U.S. abandoned with Russia, and >>> reject the imposition of massive sanctions that will harm the Russian >>> people who, like us, want peace and security. >>> >>> Blanket sanctions on the entire Russian economy could spread economic >>> and environmental hardship to Europe and potentially the global community >>> with energy price hikes that may reduce energy consumption in the short >>> term but prompt more oil drilling and lethal burning of fossil fuels in the >>> long term. >>> >>> In solidarity with anti-war protesters in Russia and across Europe, we >>> call on the world?s peace-loving people, including conscripted front-line >>> soldiers, to join us in a massive unified response to say: >>> >>> No to War in Ukraine; Yes to Negotiations and Peace. >>> >>> -- >>> This is a listserve to discuss the building of a global nonviolent >>> movement to end war and establish a just and sustainable peace. >>> >>> Participants on this list must be respectful toward each other, not >>> advocate violence, and not promote electoral candidates. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "WBW discussion" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to wbw-discussion+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/wbw-discussion/CAHKBExqpfrW7XDAsAqM0CWmUF0FR1Pz595NTDqGycZmhCv751w%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> . >>> >>> >> -- >> This is a listserve to discuss the building of a global nonviolent >> movement to end war and establish a just and sustainable peace. >> >> Participants on this list must be respectful toward each other, not >> advocate violence, and not promote electoral candidates. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "WBW discussion" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to wbw-discussion+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/wbw-discussion/9A0A1E79-B31C-40B0-9F5A-1AB41464EAF0%40gmail.com >> >> . >> >> >> > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *"Morton K. Brussel" > *Subject: **Re: [wbw-discussion] CODEPINK Statement: Russian Troops Out, > No NATO Expansion* > *Date: *March 2, 2022 at 5:05:56 PM CST > *To: *Marcy Winograd > *Cc: *"Morton K. Brussel" , "rowleyclan at earthlink.net" > , "" < > wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com> > > Naive, and worse, in that the statement overlooks(?) and ignores the > reason for this crisis in the first place. The US-NATO-Ukraine refusal to > consider what Putin/Russia was reasonably demanding for strategic > stability, its security. You don?t ask why there was such denial. And now > we have a state of turmoil looking, as was the initial intention, to demean > and demonize Russia. Who will profit for this? > > On Mar 2, 2022, at 11:54 AM, Marcy Winograd > wrote: > > Just to be clear, CODEPINK's principal positions are: Russian troops out > of Ukraine, Ceasefire now, Negotiations without preconditions, > No NATO Expansion, Neutrality for Ukraine, No weapons to Ukraine, only > humanitarian support; No blanket sanctions that will hurt > the Russian people as opposed to the oligarchs. > > I disagree with those who condemn peace groups for opposing the war in > Ukraine, the full-scale Russian invasion and high-alert nuclear > status. Putin's military aggression, not the peace movement's objection to > war as a problem-solver, is what will empower NATO and the most > warmongering elements of our government. One can be anti-imperialist > without being pro-war. > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:04 AM rowleyclan at earthlink.net < > rowleyclan at earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Exactly right, Morton! It's amazing how so much US-NATO imperialist >> history of illegal wars of aggression and inciting of violent regime >> changes in dozens of foreign countries (all to achieve their >> well-publicized goal since WWII of achieving unipolar, full spectrum >> dominance) is so quickly and fully erased in the minds of the various >> "peace" groups here, making their response to the situation in Ukraine so >> one-sided. This morphing of liberal "peace" groups and lessening of >> internal resistance to US-NATO's bloody trajectory (since the costs of >> war upon Americans were made nearly invisible after Vietnam >> ) >> already became more obvious with Obama-Hillary's continuation of post 9-11 >> wars and bombing of Libya and Syria. >> >> But living in this imperial, exceptionalist and so effectively >> propagandized U.S.-NATO bubble makes it understandably difficult for most, >> even in the "peace movement" to remain fully empathetic with those >> foreigners experiencing the actual costs of war and >> objective/critical-thinking in their assessment of proportional blame for >> the current bloodshed. Unfortunately we see most "peace" groups here quite >> seduced by Samantha Power type "humanitarian imperialism," subsequently >> engaging more to protest the "enemy" Russia than to protest their own >> government's greater responsibility. Obviously it takes two to tango so >> it's true both sides bear some (although not equal) responsibility in >> launching this war. But the task for Americans should be to protest our >> own government's actions instead of demonizing/protesting Russia and >> siding, even somewhat siding, with U.S.-NATO's actions and continued war >> propaganda. >> >> So while it IS fine and good for the Russian people to protest their >> own government's actions (and same for Ukrainians to protest their own >> government), it should be the same for Americans and Europeans, to protest >> their own governments' involvement. Americans who protest (the "enemy") >> Russia are just IMHO aiding and abetting U.S.-NATO's continued militarism >> and war plans, which almost always entail "leading from behind" by arming >> proxy forces, in this case using/exploiting poor Ukrainians. >> >> Coleen Rowley >> >> >> "Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the >> best." --Edward Abbey >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Morton K. Brussel >> Sent: Mar 1, 2022 11:20 PM >> To: Marcy Winograd >> Cc: Morton K. Brussel , < >> wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [wbw-discussion] CODEPINK Statement: Russian Troops Out, No >> NATO Expansion >> >> >> Marcy, >> I consider the current conflict as a continuation of US determination to >> remain a unipolar hegemon, and Russia (and China, Cuba, Venezuela,?) is one >> of the few powerful nations to oppose it. Russia is therefore considered >> to be an enemy of the US, and thus all is acceptable to undermine it. A >> similar logic applies for China. NATO is an instrument of this US policy, >> and Ukraine is a useful agent to further US aims. >> >> We all know that the US and NATO have violated international rules >> against aggressive wars multiple times, aggressions against Iraq, Libya, >> and Afghanistan, not to mention Yugoslavia, Syria and Palestine. Now that >> Russia has struck back, we have this chorus of condemnation. >> >> What is really at stake is whether the US can continue its imperial >> campaigns unhindered. Russia presents a major hindrance. >> >> Yes, it is horrible that civilians are caught in the middle of this >> struggle, but the fundmental reasons for the struggle are geopolitical. To >> have a stable world politically, the vital security interests of both >> sides must be respected. This has not been done, despite claims that there >> always exist nonviolent and just solutions. In some sense, as Putin has >> claimed, the attack on Ukraine is defensive. He has come to understand >> the US determination to subdue Russia, and he is trying to negate it, to >> deal with it. ?He" represents Russian interests. He may fail, but I >> sympathize with his quandary, just as I sympathize with those trapped in >> the middle of the conflict. Most people want peace, but not all, including >> the US administration and NATO which is delighted to have Ukrainians >> advance its ends. >> >> I?m outraged by US policies. The resistance by Russia to US/NATO >> depredations are mostly welcome, and I regret what many on the left are >> doing by their harsh condemnations of Russia. The ubiquity of >> these condemnations by peace groups serves to strengthen and mitigate the >> imperial acts of the US/NATO complex. This, despite supposedly balanced >> criticisms of US/NATO policies by some of these groups. >> >> ?mkb >> >> On Feb 28, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Marcy Winograd >> wrote: >> Morton, while there's no denying that NATO and the US have played a >> detrimental role in securing world peace & in encircling Russia and >> going back on promises, etc., the bottom line is none of that excuses the >> Russian invasion of Ukraine---war, as we say, is not the answer. As for >> the mention of Chernoybl, it must not be lost on any of us that there are >> 15 nuclear reactors in Ukraine, all of which pose a risk in normal times, >> let alone during a war when weapons, even if not intended, can hit a >> reactor to contaminate land and water. Putin's decision to issue veiled >> threats >> to launch nuclear weapons against NATO members and place his nuclear >> arsenal on high alert is way out of bounds and underscores the importance >> of nuclear abolition. Marcy >> >> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Morton K. Brussel >> wrote: >> >>> What is wrong with this statement is that it strongly condemns Russia, >>> but only criticizes US/NATO, and too late in the statement at that. >>> >>> NATO/US/Ukraine refused to consider the so-called red lines that Russia >>> warned should not be crossed. It disregards the Russian point of view. It >>> does not consider what the US would do if analogous threats were evident at >>> US borders. Russia asserted in writing what it considered *necessary >>> conditions* for its security, conditions ignored by NATO/US. Russia >>> could back off no further. On a related issue Ukraine/US/NATO talked about >>> the Minsk accords but in fact ignored those accords. Negotiations >>> went nowhere. >>> >>> So who is reponsible for what has now occurred? You have succumbed to a >>> bandwagon of condemnation. >>> >>> Moreover, alarmist and ignorant comments about the Chernobyl reactor are >>> ill considered; Russian forces have been very much aware that its safety >>> should be ensured. On the other hand, the nuclear issue should be front >>> and center on everybody?s mind. >>> >>> As for the rest, you make cogent points. But on the whole the statement >>> is disappointing. Meanwhile, more weaponry, troops are flooding into the >>> region and sanctions applied so as to weaken Russia, actions consistent >>> with prior statements on various occasions that Russia (and China) are US >>> enemies. >>> >>> Very dangerous. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Marcy Winograd >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://www.codepink.org/codepink_says_stop_the_war_in_ukraine_russian_troops_out_no_nato_expansion?fbclid=IwAR3LUenLt3rwZ890MA_wpP2ks3XB4kRlTRMqiwUTAchNWftxbkKxH1qdMHo >>> >>> >>> CODEPINK Says Stop the War in Ukraine: Russian Troops Out, No NATO >>> Expansion >>> >>> >>> CODEPINK strongly condemns Russia?s invasion of Ukraine, where over >>> 350,000 civilians have fled the country in fear of explosive weapons and >>> missile attacks, while remaining residents from eastern to western Ukraine >>> seek refuge in underground subways and bomb shelters. As an international >>> peace organization, we call for an immediate ceasefire, negotiations >>> without preconditions, withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine, an end to >>> NATO expansion and a return to the negotiating table to address the >>> security interests of all stakeholders. We stand in solidarity with the >>> Ukrainian people under vicious attack and with the thousands of courageous >>> Russian anti-war activists risking arrest and imprisonment to protest in >>> the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg. >>> >>> There is no military solution to the conflict over Ukraine, a country >>> caught in the crossfire between the United States and Russia, the world?s >>> two most heavily armed nuclear nations. While we denounce Putin?s >>> reckless veiled threat to launch nuclear weapons against NATO countries, we >>> also recognize the United States government is culpable in the >>> proliferation and deployment of nuclear weapons, and must reverse course on >>> its decision to pursue nuclear rearmament and instead advance verifiable >>> agreements for global nuclear disarmament. >>> >>> In condemning Putin?s invasion of a sovereign country, the shelling of a >>> Ukrainian hospital, the tanks closing in on Kyiv, we understand the U.S. >>> has played a major role in exacerbating this conflict, facilitating a 2014 >>> coup to overthrow the democratically elected leader of Ukraine and breaking >>> promises not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, where offensive missiles >>> in Romania and Poland could reach Russia in minutes. >>> >>> Though some will argue NATO is a defensive alliance of 30 countries, we >>> view NATO as a threat to world peace with its military encirclement of >>> Russia and support for U.S. military aggression in Kosovo, Afghanistan, >>> Iraq and Libya, where an estimated million died under a rain of bombs and >>> millions more were displaced. NATO?s aggressive stance on China, another >>> nuclear-armed nation, also threatens world peace and efforts to unite in >>> the face of existential climate catastrophe. >>> >>> In advance of the NATO summit in June, CODEPINK calls for an >>> international security agreement to protect the interests of all Europeans >>> to remain free from war and occupation. Such an agreement should have been >>> forged after the fall of the Soviet Union and dissolution of the Warsaw >>> Pact; instead the U.S. and NATO sought further militarization in a >>> continuance of the Cold War that spawned multiple hot wars, from Korea to >>> Vietnam. >>> >>> To prevent further fighting in Ukraine, to stop the loss of life, >>> bloodshed and grave environmental degradation from the bombing of munitions >>> plants, let us return to the 2015 Minsk II agreement that established a >>> blueprint for peace and an end to the civil war rocking eastern Ukraine. >>> Ukraine should be a neutral country; its incorporation into NATO should be >>> off the table as a starting point for diplomacy. >>> >>> During this perilous time, when further military escalation could >>> trigger a Chernobyl radioactive meltdown or push us to the brink of nuclear >>> annihilation, we urge President Biden and Congress to stop the flow of >>> weapons to Ukraine, offer humanitarian assistance and safe refuge instead, >>> renew lapsed arms control treaties (Anti-Ballistic Missile, Intermediate >>> Range Nuclear Forces, Open Skies) the U.S. abandoned with Russia, and >>> reject the imposition of massive sanctions that will harm the Russian >>> people who, like us, want peace and security. >>> >>> Blanket sanctions on the entire Russian economy could spread economic >>> and environmental hardship to Europe and potentially the global community >>> with energy price hikes that may reduce energy consumption in the short >>> term but prompt more oil drilling and lethal burning of fossil fuels in the >>> long term. >>> >>> In solidarity with anti-war protesters in Russia and across Europe, we >>> call on the world?s peace-loving people, including conscripted front-line >>> soldiers, to join us in a massive unified response to say: >>> >>> No to War in Ukraine; Yes to Negotiations and Peace. >>> >>> -- >>> This is a listserve to discuss the building of a global nonviolent >>> movement to end war and establish a just and sustainable peace. >>> >>> Participants on this list must be respectful toward each other, not >>> advocate violence, and not promote electoral candidates. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "WBW discussion" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to wbw-discussion+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/wbw-discussion/CAHKBExqpfrW7XDAsAqM0CWmUF0FR1Pz595NTDqGycZmhCv751w%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> . >>> >>> >> -- >> This is a listserve to discuss the building of a global nonviolent >> movement to end war and establish a just and sustainable peace. >> >> Participants on this list must be respectful toward each other, not >> advocate violence, and not promote electoral candidates. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "WBW discussion" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to wbw-discussion+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/wbw-discussion/9A0A1E79-B31C-40B0-9F5A-1AB41464EAF0%40gmail.com >> >> . >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Mar 7 02:57:37 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2022 20:57:37 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your video pointers to UPTV (UPTV at urbanaillinois.us). I have continued to ask UPTV to prioritize AWARE members video pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's video pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's video pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. Enjoy. -J News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air ================================================== Amnesty International https://player.vimeo.com/video/674482282 -- (14m 36s) Israel's Apartheid Against Palestinians - Cruel System of Domination and Crime Against Humanity RT https://yotube.com/watch?v=Ab4qOvrfHOQ -- (1m 57s) RT America closes https://yotube.com/watch?v=OXpBtWDdHSU -- (2m 20s) French journalist criticized for reporting Kiev?s shelling of Eastern Ukraine https://yotube.com/watch?v=4LX2-pWHETQ -- (28m 57s) Race and America's Long War https://youtube.com/watch?v=2ZzPP_wUPo4 -- (4m 20s) EU bans RT and Sputnik in sweeping crackdown on Russian media outlets https://youtube.com/watch?v=mqKeSsX89ao -- (6m 25s) 'We can't wish away the nuclear threat' | Analyst on ongoing Ukraine conflict Grayzone https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=l9RSsvTR06k -- (1h 33s) Forever War in Ukraine or End of Unipolar World? https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=21h_2RyQKRU -- (2h 30m 15s) Washington's "rules based" disorder w/UN expert Alfred de Zayas Glenn Greenwald https://youtube.com/watch?v=4dmBWG-BAK4 -- (56m 45s) Calls for Ukrainian no-fly zone, though still a minority, are growing and dangerous BreakThrough News https://youtube.com/watch?v=gIXdWtjWEP8 -- (15m) U.S. Media Fans Flames in Ukraine War https://youtube.com/watch?v=2g95ndif134 -- (1h 24m 35s) Ukraine War Exposes US Hypocrisy, Double Standards & Racism, w/ Ali Abunimah & Rania Khalek https://youtube.com/watch?v=CCNriiim3z4 -- (1h 2m 23s) How Russia?s War In Ukraine Is Playing Out Inside Russia, w/ Prof. Boris Kagarlitsky https://youtube.com/watch?v=w6HQeunm2f4 -- (1h 54m 24s) Ukraine: Questions for the US Anti-War Movement w/ Abby Martin & Brian Becker https://youtube.com/watch?v=R1dgx7S1xb4 -- (1h 43m 10s) Ukraine-Russia War Fever & Censorship: No Criticism of NATO Allowed Consortium News https://youtube.com/watch?v=yjOkk-xfMfQ -- (2h 8m 36s) CN LIVE! S4E3 UKRAINE UPDATE Labor's World View TV ================================================== More Perfect Union https://yotube.com/watch?v=MmjptGacwcc -- (6m 14s) Exploiting Farmworkers Is 100% LEGAL In Maine https://yotube.com/watch?v=L7OIpBpgXMI -- (5m 11s) How Starbucks Workers DEFEATED Company's Union-Busting https://yotube.com/watch?v=eA0ZFmTiMtQ -- (6m) Amy's Kitchen Workers EXPOSE Dangerous Conditions At Work Democracy at Work https://youtube.com/watch?v=_hf2bCzmwFg -- (25m 33s) Capitalism Hits Home: Sex Work - A Marxian Class Analysis https://youtube.com/watch?v=_gHCSZe58ws -- (8m 46s) Ask Prof Wolff: The Yugoslav Experiment https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ZJd9cmMqwg -- (4m 59s) What Truckers Could Be Demanding - Economic Update with Richard Wolff laborvideo https://youtube.com/watch?v=q0-uaUVNjS0 -- (1h 15m 2s) Global Civil War: Capitalism Post-Pandemic & The Working Class https://youtube.com/watch?v=Eq4rQoiXwnQ -- (33m 5s) Putin's War, The Oligarchs & The Russian Working Class: A Report by Boris Kargalitsky RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=HnoAPKEdcc8 -- (10m 54s) ~376~ US Legalizing Child Labor To Deal With Labor Shortage https://youtube.com/watch?v=EL3tQkgkocI -- (19m 39s) VIP | The Truth About Ukraine with Ben Norton https://youtube.com/watch?v=5W3N4ImZaNo -- (4m 21s) Gov?t Bailed Out Restaurants, Abandoned Workers From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Mar 13 01:28:33 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:28:33 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [marxmail] And another casualty of the invasion of Ukraine, neon References: Message-ID: <80B7069A-44AC-45ED-96C9-85A278C7E64A@newsfromneptune.com> ?The lamps are going out all over ? we shall not see them lit again in our lifetime? --Sir Edward Grey, 3 August 1914. (Grey was speaking to his friend, the journalist John Alfred Spender, editor of the Westminster Gazette, in Grey?s room in the Foreign Office. Looking out from his window, across St. James? Park, it was dusk and the first of the gas lights along the Mall were being lit. The next day Grey would have to face the Cabinet and to persuade them that the time had now come to declare war on Germany.) "The military incursion has forced Ukraine?s two leading neon suppliers to suspend operations, a major disruption with global economic consequences. Neon is critically important to semiconductor chip manufacturing, and nearly half of the world?s semiconductor-grade neon originates from these two suppliers, Ingas and Cryoin, Reuters notes.? [Neon prices saw a 600% price increase during Russia?s last conflict with Ukraine in 2014.] https://gizmodo.com/neon-production-for-chips-halved-by-war-in-ukraine-1848641833 https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-halts-half-worlds-neon-output-chips-clouding-outlook-2022-03-11/ So, it's probably best not to bet on capitalist economies reaching any sense of normalcy (for a capitalist economy that is) this year. From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Mar 13 03:43:52 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:43:52 -0600 Subject: [Peace] How to see RT... for now... Message-ID: <9461448d-05d3-cb4c-ad3a-5e4230f8c839@forestfield.org> YouTube no longer hosts RT's channels at least for US visitors. The following should work... for now... RT https://odysee.com/@RT:fd https://rumble.com/c/RTNews RT Documentary https://odysee.com/@RTDocumentary:4 RT Play (I'm not sure what this is, but it is RT media) https://rumble.com/c/RTPlay and if you're on a foreign VPN, you can visit https://rt.com/ with a lot less hassle. If you visit that site from the US you'll likely get the Javascript-based checker that determines if it's allowable to let you read RT's articles and see their videos & live feeds. Maybe you'll see RT's site. The following are well within the bounds of what comes next: - .com registry revokes rt.com's domain at the behest of the US. They did this to an Iranian news outlet. - The US & UK hold governmental meetings (showboat opportunities for Senators and UK government reps) to ask questions of Odysee and Rumble representatives along the lines of "Why do you allow the Devil to speak and be heard?" and "Why aren't you following the lead shown to you by YouTube/Google?". - Rumble & Odysee's network providers drop support for their virtual machines (if they have any) and networks as more US companies virtue signal support for Ukraine. From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Mar 13 05:05:57 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 23:05:57 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Tech censorship, virtue signaling, and being "deeply saddened" about Ukraine in an empire-compatible way In-Reply-To: <9461448d-05d3-cb4c-ad3a-5e4230f8c839@forestfield.org> References: <9461448d-05d3-cb4c-ad3a-5e4230f8c839@forestfield.org> Message-ID: I wrote: > YouTube no longer hosts RT's channels at least for US visitors. I got this wrong -- this ban is now global per https://rumble.com/vx6e0p-yt-blocks-rt-meta-breaks-its-own-hate-speech-rules-big-techs-crackdown-on-f.html And Meta (formerly Facebook) is saying that some language endorsing violence is okay (thus violating its former rules) -- words of violence against some Russians. Jimmy Dore recently covered this as well in https://rumble.com/vx5y70-facebook-oks-violent-speech-but-only-against-russians.html And DuckDuckGo is rendering itself irrelevant as Dore also covered in https://rumble.com/vx5y84-duckduckgo-destroys-brand-by-embracing-censorship.html ; apparently DDG will downrank "Russian disinformation". Nobody (not even DDG) can define what exactly constitutes "Russian disinformation" because that definition will change. And leave it up to the disinformers at the New York Times to claim that "The far right complains after the search engine DuckDuckGo vows to limit Russian propaganda." in https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/technology/duckduckgo-russia-disinformation.html . Actually, lots of DDG users are complaining. And since when is the "far right" bad? That's the phrase the NYT uses to talk about the group formerly described as Nazis, the US partners in Ukraine, the Azov Battalion. Don't worry -- this disinformation isn't being downranked. Consider the following search engines instead: - Startpage -- https://startpage.com/ I've seen https://www.startpage.com/privacy-please/press-releases/startpage-stands-with-the-people-of-ukraine as well and I see no corresponding notice about Startpage being "deeply saddened by the tragic events unfolding in Ukraine" when the US was backing a coup there and helping install Nazis in the Ukrainian government. Or 8 years of shelling the people of the Donbas. I take Startpage's blog post to be virtue signaling from people who don't appear to have any history of this conflict dating back further than 2 weeks. But they haven't said that they'll change the ranking of links based on the content or origin of the link. - SearXNG instances -- https://searx.space/ This is a very interesting project where your search terms are checked on multiple (over 70 now) search services, then aggregated and the results are fed to you. There are a lot of instances of this search engine and I'm looking for one that doesn't require Javascript (as, sadly, the https://searx.space/ page does). From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Mar 14 22:04:27 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:04:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. There's a number of previously-run videos that are still current and in the queue so don't be surprised if you don't hear from me for a week or two on this while I take care of some other issues going on for me. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your video pointers to UPTV (UPTV at urbanaillinois.us). I have continued to ask UPTV to prioritize AWARE members video pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's video pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's video pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. Enjoy. -J News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air ================================================== Glenn Greenwald https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yn_HZ3Ta-5w https://rumble.com/vx2iq7-the-white-houses-game-playing-denials-of-bio-labs-in-ukraine.html (56m 28s) RT https://rumble.com/vx6e0p-yt-blocks-rt-meta-breaks-its-own-hate-speech-rules-big-techs-crackdown-on-f.html -- (3m 27s) YT blocks RT, Meta breaks its own hate-speech rules: Big Tech's crackdown on free speech MintPressNews https://youtube.com/watch?v=reodvYM61wg -- (1h 13m 49s) The Latest Target in the Israel Lobby?s War on Academia: Shahd Abusalama https://youtube.com/watch?v=lE2XYcHnJqE -- (1h 23m 8s) MintPress News Live: Bio-Labs in Ukraine, with Dan Cohen, Dilyana Gaytandzhieva and Scott Ritter https://youtube.com/watch?v=3DQXcaxFMUs -- (59s) English-language media?s racist double standards are on full display. TeleSUR English https://youtube.com/watch?v=O3clHosyzWs -- (2m 46s) Russia shelters hundreds of thousands of civilians fleeing the conflict in Donbas BreakThrough News https://youtube.com/watch?v=IlvxqwS2NvQ -- (13m 58s) Building the Anti-War Movement Amid War Fever & Censorship https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q2MVQEMYeTk -- (20m 48s) Fractures in Russian Left Over Ukraine: An Antiwar Perspective, w/ Alexey Sakhnin https://youtube.com/watch?v=2g95ndif134 -- (1h 24m 35s) Ukraine War Exposes US Hypocrisy, Double Standards & Racism, w/ Ali Abunimah & Rania Khalek https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=FYhBW-yQaqs -- (1h 23m 25s) How Ukraine War Affects the World Order & the Global Power Balance, w/ Vijay Prashad & Rania Khalek The Socialist Program with Brian Becker https://youtube.com/watch?v=uPAqExszum0 -- (54m 5s) Peace is Possible: The Solution to the Crisis in Ukraine The Convo Couch https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tn7WBfpf8SE -- (36m 22s) Censorship, RT America, Ukraine w/ Caleb Maupin https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y9zVQSsbVf4 -- (20m 8s) Woman Exposes Truth About Ukraine in French Media Consortium News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeeqooNWO48 -- (1h 46m 15s) Putin's Invasion of Ukraine Salon | Ray McGovern, John Mearsheimer Labor's World View TV ================================================== More Perfect Union https://youtube.com/watch?v=z5PLEZiSZVw -- (17m 48s) Private Equity Robbed Taylor Swift & Dunkin' ? You're Next. | The Class Room ft. Adam Conover https://youtube.com/watch?v=n4FCVN7xxHA -- (5m 34s) Starbucks Manager Drives Pro-Union Worker To Tears https://youtube.com/watch?v=6wS2NePY5UM -- (5m 31s) UPS Workers EXPOSE Company's Abuse & Retaliation https://youtube.com/watch?v=D66XLrvX_VY -- (4m 22s) California Students BATTLE University For Affordable Housing https://youtube.com/watch?v=JWWhXq5IkfY -- (5m 53s) Elon Musk's Corporate Welfare Is On The Ballot in Austin, Texas https://youtube.com/watch?v=OqGQCDCuLD4 -- (5m 36s) Union Kitchen Workers Are Unionizing https://youtube.com/watch?v=rvr5HsMOCHM -- (5m 21s) The Biden Admin Is Ending Junk Fees & Overdraft Charges https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1NEO6PbuGo -- (7m 20s) How Corporations Weaponize Cops & Courts Against Workers https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvOgJ7xAFE -- (5m 41s) Farmworkers Call For Nationwide Wendy's Boycott From carl at newsfromneptune.com Fri Mar 18 18:50:43 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:50:43 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Russia warns NATO Message-ID: <06F4738D-249F-41A0-B836-B414F282B14A@newsfromneptune.com> The META-stasis of censorship supresses the following: https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/03/17/russia-delivers-nato-dire-warning-with-polish-border-base-devastation/ ### From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Mar 23 01:49:53 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 20:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_U=2ES=2E_Lied_About_Funding_=E2=80=9CDa?= =?utf-8?q?ngerous_Pathogen=E2=80=9D_Research_in_Secret_Ukrainian_Biolabs?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_Newly_Leaked_Documents_Reveal?= References: <290d7f9f719af49a4fc45a1b5.128a66b559.20220323001753.1b34013fc7.a76fb5b8@mail237.suw101.mcdlv.net> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: CovertAction Magazine > Subject: U.S. Lied About Funding ?Dangerous Pathogen? Research in Secret Ukrainian Biolabs, Newly Leaked Documents Reveal > Date: March 22, 2022 at 7:18:00 PM CDT > To: > Reply-To: CovertAction Magazine > > View this email in your browser > > > U.S. Lied About Funding ?Dangerous Pathogen? Research in Secret Ukrainian Biolabs, Newly Leaked Documents Reveal By Dilyana Gaytandzhieva on Mar 22, 2022 07:53 pm > Newly Leaked Documents Reaveal? Pentagon Contractors Worked Under $80 Million Program Funded by Defense Department But Kept Hidden from Public > > Leaked documents give new information about the Pentagon program in biolaboratories in Ukraine. According to internal documents, Pentagon contractors were given full access to all Ukrainian biolaboratories which handled dangerous pathogens, while independent experts were denied even a visit. The new revelations challenge the U.S. government statement that the Pentagon just funded biolaboratories in Ukraine but had nothing to do with them. > > Last week U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland confirmed that ?Ukraine has biological research facilities? and the U.S. is worried that ?those research materials? may fall into Russian hands. What ?research materials? were studied in these biolaboratories and why are U.S. officials so worried that they may fall into Russian hands? [?] > > The post U.S. Lied About Funding ?Dangerous Pathogen? Research in Secret Ukrainian Biolabs, Newly Leaked Documents Reveal appeared first on CovertAction Magazine . > > > Read in browser ? > In Peace and Solidarity, > Chris Agee > Executive Editor > CovertAction Magazine > > > > Copyright ? 2022 CovertAction Magazine, All rights reserved. > Subscribers 2022 > > Our mailing address is: > CovertAction Magazine > 55 Gerard St # 1323 > Huntington, NY 11743-8252 > > Add us to your address book > > Want to change how you receive these emails? > You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list . > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Mar 23 01:55:55 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 20:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Peace] From the group 'Live Action' Message-ID: <66516C09-802C-4E73-B322-2E9774D338AC@newsfromneptune.com> > Mr. Estabrook, > > Tragic things are happening in Connecticut... > > I just saw a story involving a lawsuit filed by a couple named Christin and Shawn who went to Planned Parenthood for a medical evaluation after Christin took a pregnancy test and it was positive. > > Allegedly a midwife - not even a physician - examined Christin transvaginally and told her she was 6 weeks and 3 days along with her preborn child. She also told Christin that she had a ?non-viable pregnancy?, there was only an ?empty sac?, and prescribed her the abortion pill regimen. > > After taking the pills, Christin gave birth 2 days later to a 22-week stillborn baby boy, which she delivered into a toilet. > > Christin and Shawn named this sweet baby Kyle Shawn. > > You can read the full story here:https://www.liveaction.org/news/planned-parenthood-abortion-pill-22-week/ > > On top of the emotional trauma of unexpectedly giving birth to a stillborn baby? Christin?s medical expert in the lawsuit said she experienced physical trauma as well. > > Mr. Estabrook, it?s dizzying to think about how far off this midwife was in her examination of this mother? Although I?m horrified (as I?m sure you are as well), I?m not surprised. The abortion industry has shown time and time again that they are in it for profit, not for women. > > As you?re reading this, Connecticut is considering two highly pro-abortion bills that will respectively: > ? Allow midwives to perform all abortion procedures, and > ? Allow the state to become a so-called ?safe harbor? for criminal abortionists > These bills are certainly fueled by abortion activists who see our progress in the pro-life movement as a threat to their deadly agenda. > > Midwives are trained to deliver babies, not kill them. > > Safe harbors belong to babies, not abortionists. > > My heart is heavy from this story and from the fact that evil bills in Connecticut are actually being considered that will increase these kinds of stories. > > Let?s take some time tonight to grieve these tragedies. > > Then, tomorrow, we must renew our strength to keep fighting to end this evil and show the world that love and life prevail. > > For life, > > Lauren Bielinski > VP of Strategic Partnerships > From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Mar 23 20:49:51 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:49:51 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Grayzone - Blumental & Matte interview Scott Ritter Message-ID: <73C8A776-45EE-45CC-BD38-99F74ACF8766@newsfromneptune.com> The best thing I?ve seen on war in Ukraine: ?CGE From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Mar 23 23:40:17 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:40:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: <20d9a5da-75a6-989a-6ac1-db5d3266ceaf@forestfield.org> Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. There's a number of previously-run videos that are still current and in the queue so don't be surprised if you don't hear from me for a week or two on this while I take care of some other issues going on for me. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your video pointers to UPTV (UPTV at urbanaillinois.us). I have continued to ask UPTV to prioritize AWARE members video pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's video pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's video pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. Enjoy. -J News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air ================================================== Aaron Mat?/The Grayzone https://youtube.com/watch?v=OSkpIq3T-Zc -- (2h 43m) The battle for Ukraine, with ex-UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter https://youtube.com/watch?v=vu9zH7KjdLA -- (28m 17s) CGTN's "The Heat" alongside Bohdan Nahaylo of the Kyiv Post https://youtube.com/watch?v=0vxufUeqnuc -- (52m 32s) US fighting Russia 'to the last Ukrainian' https://youtube.com/watch?v=M_Gzgu47wAc -- (35m) How US-backed Maidan coup, Russiagate led to war in Ukraine https://youtube.com/watch?v=7ZnIUSvPtdo -- (12m 52s) Why Rep. Thomas Massie stood against "stand with Ukraine" resolution RT https://rumble.com/vy892p-crosstalk-on-ukraine-info-warfare.html -- (25m 36s) CrossTalk on Ukraine | Info Warfare with Anya Parampil, Scottie Nell Hughes, and Pepe Escobar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPt9Bc2DFAY -- (19m 47s) Francis A. Boyle on Nazi Death Scientists https://rumble.com/vy5o4l-ukraine-media-fog-of-war-turns-fake-stories-of-heroes-into-myths.html -- (3m 1s) Ukraine media fog of war turns fake stories of heroes into myths https://rumble.com/vy5i01-facebook-bans-eu-meps-page-after-vote-against-anti-russian-sanctions.html -- (8m 50s) Facebook bans EU MEP's page after vote against anti-Russian sanctions https://rumble.com/vy4z5z-western-countries-continue-to-pump-ukraine-with- lethal-weapons.html -- (2m 10s) Western countries continue to pump Ukraine with lethal weapons https://rumble.com/vy2hj9-u.s.-led-invasion-of-iraq-19-years-on.html -- (1m 58s) U.S.-led invasion of Iraq 19 years on https://rumble.com/vy1fqp-zelensky-bans-pro-russian-opposition-parties.html -- (2m 36s) Zelensky bans 'pro-Russian' opposition parties https://rumble.com/vy8itj-anti-russia-sanctions-are-changing-the-world-financial-system.html -- (4m 50s) Anti-Russia sanctions are changing the world financial system https://rumble.com/vy8k33-palestinian-activists-planting-olive-trees-hit-by-tear-gas.html -- (49s) Palestinian activists planting olive trees hit by tear gas https://rumble.com/vy94l5-canada-exacerbated-tragedy-in-ukraine-activist-who-confronted-canadian-fm-t.html -- (1m 54s) Canada ?exacerbated tragedy in Ukraine? - activist who confronted Canadian FM to RT https://rumble.com/vy89yl-us-arms-manufacturers-hit-jackpot-with-ukraine-conflict.html -- (4m 24s) US arms manufacturers hit jackpot with Ukraine conflict BreakThrough News https://youtube.com/watch?v=Avx7uFbvmqw -- (13m 48s) Former Saudi Political Prisoner: U.S. Officials ?Don?t Give a F*** About These Souls? https://youtube.com/watch?v=5GU2t6ToZoE -- (14m 53s) How Is India Reacting to the War in Ukraine? 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G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 09:37:12 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Make Nazism Great Again References: <20220325140051.1.4086585F8ED9427A@mg.unz.com> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Pepe Escobar / The Unz Review > Subject: Make Nazism Great Again > To: carl at newsfromneptune.com > > The Unz Review ? An Alternative Media Selection Subscribe > A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media > Make Nazism Great Again The supreme target is regime change in Russia, Ukraine is just a pawn in the game ? or worse, mere cannon fodder. > Pepe Escobar ? Thursday, March 24, 2022 ? 1,800 Words > > All eyes are on Mariupol. As of Wednesday night, over 70% of residential areas were under control of Donetsk and Russian forces, while Russian Marines, Donetsk?s 107th batallion and Chechen Spetsnaz, led by the charismatic Adam Delimkhanov, had entered the Azov-Stal plant ? the HQ of the neo-Nazi Azov batallion. > > Azov was sent a last ultimatum: surrender until midnight ? or else, as in a take no prisoners highway to hell. > > That implies a major game-changer in the Ukrainian battlefield; Mariupol is finally about to be thoroughly denazified ? as the Azov contingent long entrenched in the city and using civilians as human shields were their most hardened fighting force. > > Meanwhile, echoes from the Empire of Lies all but gave the whole game away. There?s no intention whatsoever in Washington to facilitate a peace plan in Ukraine ? and that explains Comedian Zelensky?s non-stop stalling tactics. The supreme target is regime change in Russia, and for that Totalen Krieg against Russia and all things Russian is warranted. Ukraine is just a pawn in the game ? or worse, mere cannon fodder. > > This also means that the 14,000 deaths in Donbass for the past 8 years should be directly attributed to the Exceptionalists. As for Ukrainian neo-Nazis of all stripes, they are as expendable as ?moderate rebels? in Syria, be they al-Qaeda or Daesh-linked. Those that may eventually survive can always join the budding CIA-sponsored Neo-Nazi Inc. ? the tawdry remix of the 1980s Jihad Inc. in Afghanistan. They will be properly ?Kalibrated?. > > A quick neo-Nazi recap > > By now only the brain dead across NATOstan ? and there are hordes ? are not aware of Maidan in 2014. Yet few know that it was then Ukrainian Minister of Interior Arsen Avakov, a former governor of Kharkov, who gave the green light for a 12,000 paramilitary outfit to materialize out of Sect 82 soccer hooligans who supported Dynamo Kiev. That was the birth of the Azov batallion, in May 2014, led by Andriy Biletsky, a.k.a. the White Fuhrer, and former leader of the neo-nazi gang Patriots of Ukraine. > > Together with NATO stay-behind agent Dmitro Yarosh, Biletsky founded Pravy Sektor, financed by Ukrainian mafia godfather and Jewish billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky (later the benefactor of the meta-conversion of Zelensky from mediocre comedian to mediocre President.) > > Pravy Sektor happened to be rabidly anti-EU ? tell that to Ursula von der Lugen ? and politically obsessed with linking Central Europe and the Baltics in a new, tawdry Intermarium. Crucially, Pravy Sektor and other nazi gangs were duly trained by NATO instructors. > > Biletsky and Yarosh are of course disciples of notorious WWII-era Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, for whom pure Ukrainians are proto-Germanic or Scandinavian, and Slavs are untermenschen. > > Azov ended up absorbing nearly all neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine and were dispatched to fight against Donbass ? with their acolytes making more money than regular soldiers. Biletsky and another neo-Nazi leader, Oleh Petrenko, were elected to the Rada. The White F?hrer stood on his own. Petrenko decided to support then President Poroshenko. Soon the Azov battalion was incorporated as the Azov Regiment to the Ukrainian National Guard. > > They went on a foreign mercenary recruiting drive ? with people coming from Western Europe, Scandinavia and even South America. > > That was strictly forbidden by the Minsk Agreements guaranteed by France and Germany (and now de facto defunct). Azov set up training camps for teenagers and soon reached 10,000 members. Erik ?Blackwater? Prince, in 2020, struck a deal with the Ukrainian military that would enable his renamed outfit, Academi, to supervise Azov. > > It was none other than sinister Maidan cookie distributor Vicky ?F**k the EU? Nuland who suggested to Zelensky ? both of them, by the way, Ukrainian Jews ? to appoint avowed Nazi Yarosh as an adviser to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi. The target: organize a blitzkrieg on Donbass and Crimea ? the same blitzkrieg that SVR, Russian foreign intel, concluded would be launched on February 22, thus propelling the launch of Operation Z. > > All of the above, in fact just a quick recap, shows that in Ukraine there?s no difference whatsoever between white neo-Nazis and brown-colored al-Qaeda/ISIS/Daesh, as much as neo-Nazis are just as ?Christian? as takfiri Salafi-jihadis are ?Muslim?. > > When Putin denounced a ?bunch of neo-Nazis? in power in Kiev, the Comedian replied that it was impossible because he was Jewish. Nonsense. Zelensky and his patron Kolomoysky, for all practical purposes, are Zio-Nazis. > > Even as branches of the United States government admitted to neo-Nazis entrenched in the Kiev apparatus, the Exceptionalist machine made the daily shelling of Donbass for 8 years simply disappear. These thousands of civilian victims never existed. > > U.S. mainstream media even ventured the odd piece or report on Azov and Aidar neo-Nazis. But then a neo-Orwellian narrative was set in stone: there are no Nazis in Ukraine. CIA offshoot NED even started deleting records about training members of Aidar. Recently a crappy news network duly promoted a video of a NATO-trained and weaponized Azov commander ? complete with Nazi iconography. > > Why ?denazification? makes sense > > The Banderastan ideology harks back to when this part of Ukraine was in fact controlled by the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Russian empire and Poland. Stepan Bandera was born in Austro-Hungary in 1909, near Ivano-Frankovsk, in the ? then autonomous ? Kingdom of Galicia. > > WWI dismembered European empires into frequently non-viable small entities. In western Ukraine ? an imperial intersection ? that inevitably led to the proliferation of extremely intolerant ideologies. > > Banderastan ideologues profited from the Nazi arrival in 1941 to try to proclaim an independent territory. But Berlin not only blocked it but sent them to concentration camps. In 1944 though the Nazis changed tactics: they liberated the Banderanistas and manipulated them into anti-Russian hate, thus creating a destabilization force in the Ukrainian USSR. > > So Nazism is not exactly the same as Banderastan fanatics: they are in fact competing ideologies. What happened since Maidan is that the CIA kept a laser focus on inciting Russian hatred by whatever fringe groups it could instrumentalize. So Ukraine is not a case of ?white nationalism? ? to put it mildly ? but of anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism, for all practical purposes manifested via Nazi-style salutes and Nazi-style symbols. > > So when Putin and the Russian leadership refer to Ukrainian Nazism, that may not be 100% correct, conceptually, but it strikes a chord with every Russian. > > Russians viscerally reject Nazism ? considering that virtually every Russian family has at least one ancestor killed during the Great Patriotic War. From the perspective of wartime psychology, it makes total sense to talk of ?Ukro-nazism? or, straight to the point, a ?denazification? campaign. > > How the Anglos loved the Nazis > > The United States government openly cheerleading neo-Nazis in Ukraine is hardly a novelty, considering how it supported Hitler alongside England in 1933 for balance of power reasons. > > In 1933, Roosevelt lent Hitler one billion gold dollars while England lent him two billion gold dollars. That should be multiplied 200 times to arrive at today?s fiat dollars. The Anglo-Americans wanted to build up Germany as a bulwark against Russia. In 1941 Roosevelt wrote to Hitler that if he invaded Russia the U.S. would side with Russia, and wrote Stalin that if Stalin invaded Germany the U.S. would back Germany. Talk about a graphic illustration of Mackinderesque balance of power. > > The Brits had become very concerned with the rise of Russian power under Stalin while observing that Germany was on its knees with 50% unemployment in 1933, if one counted unregistered itinerant Germans. > > Even Lloyd George had misgivings about the Versailles Treaty, unbearably weakening Germany after its surrender in WWI. The purpose of WWI, in Lloyd George?s worldview, was to destroy Russia and Germany together. Germany was threatening England with the Kaiser building a fleet to take over the oceans, while the Tsar was too close to India for comfort. For a while Britannia won ? and continued to rule the waves. > > Then building up Germany to fight Russia became the number one priority ? complete with rewriting of History. The uniting of Austrian Germans and Sudetenland Germans with Germany, for instance, was totally approved by the Brits. > > But then came the Polish problem. When Germany invaded Poland, France and Britain stood on the sidelines. That placed Germany on the border of Russia, and Germany and Russia divided up Poland. That?s exactly what Britain and France wanted. Britain and France had promised Poland that they would invade Germany from the west while Poland fought Germany from the east. > > In the end, the Poles were double-crossed. Churchill even praised Russia for invading Poland. Hitler was advised by MI6 that England and France would not invade Poland ? as part of their plan for a German-Russian war. Hitler had been supported financially since the 1920s by MI6 for his favorable words about England in Mein Kampf. MI6 de facto encouraged Hitler to invade Russia. > > Fast forward to 2022, and here we go again ? as farce, with the Anglo-Americans ?encouraging? Germany under feeble Scholz to put itself back together militarily, with 100 billion euros (that the Germans don?t have), and setting up in thesis a revamped European force to later go to war against Russia. > > Cue to the Russophobic hysteria in Anglo-American media about the Russia-China strategic partnership. The mortal Anglo-American fear is Mackinder/Mahan/Spykman/Kissinger/Brzezinski all rolled into one: Russia-China as peer competitor twins take over the Eurasian land mass ? the Belt and Road Initiative meets the Greater Eurasia Partnership ? and thus rule the planet, with the U.S. relegated to inconsequential island status, as much as the previous ?Rule Britannia?. > > England, France and later the Americans had prevented it when Germany aspired to do the same, controlling Eurasia side by side with Japan, from the English Channel to the Pacific. Now it?s a completely different ball game. > > So Ukraine, with its pathetic neo-Nazi gangs, is just an ? expendable ? pawn in the desperate drive to stop something that is beyond anathema, from Washington?s perspective: a totally peaceful German-Russian-Chinese New Silk Road. > > Russophobia, massively imprinted in the West?s DNA, never really went away. Cultivated by the Brits since Catherine the Great ? and then with The Great Game. By the French since Napoleon. By the Germans because the Red Army liberated Berlin. By the Americans because Stalin forced to them the mapping of Europe ? and then it went on and on and on throughout the Cold War. > > We are at just the early stages of the final push by the dying Empire to attempt arresting the flow of History. They are being outsmarted, they are already outgunned by the top military power in the world, and they will be checkmated. Existentially, they are not equipped to kill the Bear ? and that hurts. Cosmically. > > > Unsubscribe From This Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Fri Mar 25 18:46:17 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 13:46:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: More Evidence That The US Is Trying To Prolong This War References: <20220325140309.2.c35c4354560037e1.8hlyxjvc@mg2.substack.com> Message-ID: <13FBDA99-E536-44E1-A4CA-60F55DFD7AF3@newsfromneptune.com> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Caitlin Johnstone from Caitlin?s Newsletter > Subject: More Evidence That The US Is Trying To Prolong This War > Date: March 25, 2022 at 9:03:09 AM CDT > To: cgestabrook at gmail.com > Reply-To: Caitlin Johnstone from Caitlin?s Newsletter > > > More Evidence That The US Is Trying To Prolong This War > > Caitlin Johnstone > Mar 25 > > Listen to a reading of this article: > > More Evidence That The US Is Trying To Prolong This War by Going Rogue With Caitlin Johnstone > Going Rogue With Caitlin Johnstone > ? > > The Washington Post has a new article out bemoaning the fact that Russian military commanders are declining calls from the Pentagon to discuss their operations in Ukraine (I dunno guys, might have something to do with the fact that the US is sharing extensive military intelligence on exactly those operations directly with the Ukrainian government). Tucked all the way down in the eighteenth paragraph of the article, we find a much more interesting revelation: that Washington's top diplomat has made no attempt to contact his counterpart in Moscow since the war began on the 24th of February. > > "Secretary of State Antony Blinken has not attempted any conversations with his counterpart, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, since the start of the conflict, according to U.S. officials," The Washington Post reports. > > So the US government is continuing its policy of refusing to attempt any high-level diplomatic resolutions to this war despite its public hand-wringing about the horrific violence that's being inflicted upon the people of Ukraine. This revelation fits nicely with a recent report by Bloomberg's Niall Ferguson that sources in the US and UK governments have told him the real goal of western powers in this conflict is not to negotiate peace or end the war quickly, but to prolong it in order "bleed Putin" and achieve regime change in Moscow. > > > Leonid Bershidskiy > @Bershidsky > The amazing part of this column is that U.S. officials are saying out loud that they want the war to last in order to "bleed Putin". They don't care a fig about Ukraine. It stands completely alone (and Zelenskiy knows it, btw). > Bloomberg - Are you a robot? > bloomberg.com > March 22nd 2022 > > 1,191 Retweets3,694 Likes > > Building on an earlier report from The New York Times that the Biden administration ?seeks to help Ukraine lock Russia in a quagmire," Ferguson writes that he has reached the conclusion that "the U.S. intends to keep this war going," and says he has other sources to corroborate this: > > ?The only end game now,? a senior administration official was heard to say at a private event earlier this month, ?is the end of Putin regime. Until then, all the time Putin stays, [Russia] will be a pariah state that will never be welcomed back into the community of nations. China has made a huge error in thinking Putin will get away with it. Seeing Russia get cut off will not look like a good vector and they?ll have to re-evaluate the Sino-Russia axis. All this is to say that democracy and the West may well look back on this as a pivotal strengthening moment.? > > I gather that senior British figures are talking in similar terms. There is a belief that ?the U.K.?s No. 1 option is for the conflict to be extended and thereby bleed Putin.? Again and again, I hear such language. It helps explain, among other things, the lack of any diplomatic effort by the U.S. to secure a cease-fire. It also explains the readiness of President Joe Biden to call Putin a war criminal. > > Earlier this month when The Intercept's Ryan Grim was able to get a word in edgewise at a White House press briefing amid the throngs of mass media reporters demanding to know why Biden still hasn't started World War 3 , Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave a very revealing answer. > > "So, aside from the request for weapons, President Zelensky has also requested that the US be more involved in negotiations toward a peaceful resolution to the war. What is the U.S. doing to push those negotiations forward?" asked Grim. > > "Well, one of the steps we?ve taken ? a significant one ? is to be the largest provider of military and humanitarian and economic assistance in the world, to put them in a greater position of strength as they go into these negotiations," Psaki answered, completely dodging the question of whether the US was actually doing anything to help negotiate peace. > > > Ryan Grim > @ryangrim > This is wild > > March 16th 2022 > > 4,454 Retweets24,378 Likes > > As we've discussed previously , the US government has a well-documented history of working to draw Moscow into costly military quagmires with the goal of preoccupying its military forces and draining its coffers. Former US officials are on record publicly boasting about having done so in both Afghanistan and Syria . This is an agenda geared toward sapping the Russian government, manufacturing international consent for unprecedented acts of economic warfare designed (though perhaps ineptly ) to crush the Russian economy, to foment discord and rebellion, and ultimately to effect regime change in Moscow. > > The US empire doesn't care about Ukrainian lives, and it's insulting that its operatives continually pretend to. The empire will happily feed every man, woman and child in the entire nation into the mouth of this war if it means unseating a disobedient leader from a nuclear-armed seat of power which has become unacceptably cozy with Beijing and intolerably comfortable with intervening against US imperial agendas. And all the Ukrainian-flag-waving propagandized westerners with their #StandWithUkraine Instagram activism and blue and yellow profile pics will cheer for it every step of the way. > > I hope this brutal proxy war ends and peace comes to Ukraine very quickly. 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Estabrook) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 10:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Colorado_Senate_approves_abortion_bill_?= =?utf-8?q?without_limits=2C_governor_expected_to_sign?= References: <1648307030648.359b8595-6066-4cec-be2b-51d90af37106@bf10x.hubspotemail.net> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Live Action News > Subject: Colorado Senate approves abortion bill without limits, governor expected to sign > Date: March 26, 2022 at 10:07:22 AM CDT > To: cgestabrook at gmail.com > Reply-To: info at liveaction.org > > > Hi Mr. Estabrook, > > We hope that you are having a good Saturday! > > Here are ten of our top news articles from last week picked for you: > > Colorado Senate Approves Abortion Bill Without Limits, Governor Expected to Sign? > > > The Act claims that every pregnant woman has a ?fundamental right? to have an abortion and that a human being in the womb ?does not have independent or derivative rights under the laws of the state.? The Act may force health care workers to participate in or commit abortions against their will and conscientious objections. > Read more > > > > Brothers Shuffled Between Foster Homes for Two Years Hope to Be Adopted Together > > Some of the boys? answers gave a heartbreaking insight into what their lives may have been like up until now; they say they want parents who will be nice to them, and hope for a Rottweiler that can protect them. > Read more > > > > Teacher Disciplined After Down Syndrome Remark: ?I Would Have Killed It? > > The mother of a child with Down syndrome posted a video on TikTok, saying she treats her child the same as any other child. The teacher responded with a comment saying, ?Brave. If my test came back with that I would have killed it. If I were I?d want mum to do the same.? > Read more > > > > Abandoned Baby Found Alive After Hours-Long Search? > > Police and first responders rescued an eight-month-old infant left abandoned in a field in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The infant was found ?alive and unharmed? after an hours-long search on the ground and via a helicopter overhead. > Read more > > > > Maternity Ward Closures Across the Country Pose a Danger to Women? > > The motivations driving maternity ward closures risk the lives of both mother and baby, as in the case of Shantel Jones. She went into labor, and planned to go to her community hospital. When she was told that the hospital was no longer offering maternity services, Jones and her mother began the 30-mile drive to another town. > Read more > > > > She Miscarried Her Son at 5 Months, but Believes That ?One Day, We Will Be Reunited?? > > > Vicki Wilkerson, busy mom of two, had planned for four children but delayed another pregnancy to focus on aiding her son with developmental disabilities. When she learned she was expecting her third child, she was elated. She never imagined she?d face a devastating loss. > Read more > > > > Uyghur Farmer Dies in Concentration Camp After Saving Wife and Child From Forced Abortion? > > By preventing his wife from undergoing a forced abortion, the government said he was guilty of anti-government action, religious extremism, and disrupting the social order. > Read more > > > > Polish Social Worker Irena Sendler Saved Thousands of Children From the Nazis, and Still Inspires Today > > Her story is truly amazing and significant for our times. A young Polish Catholic social worker in Warsaw during WWII, Sendler saved 2,500 Jewish children from the Nazis by smuggling them out of the Warsaw Ghetto in creative ways. > Read more > > > > Abortion Wasn?t Something He Cared About? but a Baby?s Scream Changed Everything > > Joel Enge is living proof that a single changed mind and a single transformed heart can have a powerful impact on the lives of countless others. > Read more > > > > Just Who Is Planned Parenthood Targeting With This Ice Cream-Turned-Condom Truck? > > It is unclear if there is any actual ice cream on board ? but it is clear that Planned Parenthood is using symbols associated with childhood to draw people to their condom truck. > Read more > > > Thank you for joining us in this important work! Have a good weekend! > > For life, > > The Live Action News Team > Live Action News is the publishing arm of Live Action > > Live Action is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Gifts are tax-deductible in the United States. > No goods or services are offered or given in exchange for contributions. > Make your gift to save lives here: give.liveaction.org > Live Action, 2200 Wilson Blvd., Suite 102 PMB 111, Arlington, VA 22201, (510) 854-9867 > Unsubscribe Manage preferences -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 19:20:11 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:20:11 -0400 Subject: [Peace] DK: With Bernie/Ro Backing Jayapal/DeFazio, Will @just_security Fix Its Line on Yemen WPR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please vote in the poll. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/28/2088673/-With-Bernie-Ro-Backing-Jayapal-DeFazio-Will-just_security-Fix-Its-Line-on-Yemen-WPR With Bernie/Ro Backing Jayapal/DeFazio, Will @just_security Fix Its Line on Yemen WPR? On Friday, Senator Bernie Sanders and Rep. Ro Khanna joined CPC Chair Pramila Jayapal and Rep. Peter DeFazio in pledging to introduce and pass a new Yemen War Powers Resolution to fulfill President Biden?s broken promise to end unconstitutional U.S. participation in the Saudi war/blockade in Yemen. It will be instructive to see if the ?progressive? national security website ?Just Security? - weighed down as it is by former Administration officials - improves its line on the Yemen War Powers Resolution now. In a piece published the day before marking the seventh anniversary of the war, Luke Hartig and Oona Hathaway took a spectacularly anemic line on this question. Perhaps, like the British economist John Maynard Keynes, they would like to ?read the data differently now? [as Larry Summers might say] in the light of new information. Here?s what Hartig and Hathaway wrote about this on March 24. After noting that in 2018, Senator Sanders introduced a resolution pursuant to the War Powers resolution calling for the removal of U.S. forces from hostilities in Yemen that had not been authorized by Congress, and that in 2019 a resolution to end U.S. support for Saudi operations in Yemen passed both houses of Congress only to be vetoed by then-President Trump, Hartig and Hathaway wrote [my emphasis]: President Biden?s announcement that the United States would no longer provide ?offensive? support for Saudi military operations in Yemen *likely brings this chapter to a close, for now*. But continued servicing of Saudi jets and other ?defensive? support *could reignite such legal concerns*. When they wrote, ?for now,? did they mean, ?for today, March 24?? When they wrote ?could reignite,? did they mean, ?on tomorrow, March 25?? Does Bernie ?raising his voice? count as ?reigniting such concerns?? Hartig and Hathaway also wrote [my emphasis]: The end of (most) U.S. support for the Saudi-led coalition also *brings to a close* some of the key concerns under international law...the Saudis and Emirates have been accused of various war crimes in the course of the brutal war against the Houthis...The end of offensive military support for the Saudi-led coalition *helps ease concerns about ongoing U.S. complicity in those war crimes*? This begs the question: who elected or appointed Hartig and Hathaway to make this determination, that such ?concerns? have been ?brought to a close? or ?eased?? How many divisions do Hartig and Hathaway control? Who died and made them Pope? Finally, Hartig and Hathaway claim: At the end of the day, it seems likely that more of the onus for resolving the Yemen conflict will lie with the administration than the Hill. Care to revisit this now, @just_security? Get on the bus. Stand shoulder to shoulder with Bernie/Ro and Jayapal/DeFazio for the Yemen War Powers Resolution now, and all your past crimes will be forgiven. Go and sin no more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Mar 30 16:21:28 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:21:28 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Meta-banned column Message-ID: <5821A49B-3AF1-494A-9E97-97DB3CF429DB@newsfromneptune.com> https://thecradle.co/Article/columns/8480 From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Mar 31 03:13:16 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: "Regime Change" Doesn't Work, You Morons References: <20220331011152.2.84878b812b67ea82.a98y0tse@mg2.substack.com> Message-ID: <054B2F78-5694-468E-AA33-D8B851056E05@newsfromneptune.com> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Matt Taibbi > Subject: "Regime Change" Doesn't Work, You Morons > Date: March 30, 2022 at 8:11:52 PM CDT > To: cgestabrook at gmail.com > Reply-To: Matt Taibbi > > > > "Regime Change" Doesn't Work, You Morons > How many examples of "regime change" blowing up in our faces do we really need before realizing that it's a disastrous policy? Will we really try it with a nuclear-armed adversary? > Matt Taibbi > Mar 31 > > Not long ago, candidate Joe Biden?s most troubling behavioral tendency was the surprise outburst of belligerence. Campaigning, he?d challenge questioners to push-up contests, jam fingers in the sternums even of supporters, and plunge into rambling monologues about leg hairs and chain-fights. > > Now, the president?s face is often a mask of terror, like a man unsure of how he came to be standing in the middle of an intersection. Mental cars racing past, he met the press Monday, to clarify a statement made last week about Vladimir Putin: ?For God?s sake, this man cannot remain in power.? Many interpreted this as a call for regime change. Not at all, Biden said, reading from a large-print cheat sheet ? this reportedly happened ? that reminded him to say he was merely expressing ?moral outrage,? and ?not articulating a change in policy.? When he ran out of pre-prepared remarks, he drifted back to danger, saying: > > It?s more an aspiration than anything. He shouldn?t be in power. > > The AP writeup offered help: ?He said he was expressing an ?aspiration? rather than a goal of American foreign policy.? (I?m sure nuclear-armed Putin appreciated the semantic difference). When Biden moved more toward candor, saying he made ?no apologies? for his remarks, another reporter quickly tried to guide him back to a safe harbor: > > Q: Your personal feelings, sir? Your personal feelings? > > THE PRESIDENT: Personal. My personal feelings. > > Biden even offered his Princess Bride/Vizzini-esque analysis that ?the last thing I want to do is engage in a land war? with Russia?: > > Although administration mouthpieces Tony Blinken and Jen Psaki scrambled to reassure a nervous world that the U.S. is not intent on ?doing regime change? in Russia, officials everywhere have been telling reporters the opposite on background. > > This cat was out of the bag weeks ago. As Joe Lauria at Consortium points out , Biden was asked on February 24th, at the start of the invasion, what sanctions would accomplish if they hadn?t prevented war. His answer : > > No one expected the sanctions to prevent anything from happening. That has to sh- ? this is going to take time. And we have to show resolve, so he knows what?s coming and so the people of Russia know what he?s brought on them. That?s what this is all about. > > Biden said virtually the same thing in Brussels last week: > > Sanctions never deter? The maintenance of sanctions, the increasing the pain ? we will sustain what we?re doing not just next month, the following month, but for the remainder of this entire year. That?s what will stop him. > > We heard this more explicitly from Boris Johnson on March 1st , ?The measures we are introducing, that large parts of the world are introducing, are to bring down the Putin regime,? Johnson said. Lauria points out this was two days after British Armed Forces Minister James Heappey wrote in the? Telegraph that ?His failure must be complete? the Russian people empowered to see how little he cares for them. In showing them that, Putin?s days as President will surely be numbered? He?ll lose power and he won?t get to choose his successor.? > > Jen Psaki?s non-committal answer to The Intercept?s question about whether or not Volodymyr Zelensky has autonomy to negotiate the end of sanctions, and the apparent disinterest of the United States in participating in peace talks, also speaks to this. Biden?s many ?gaffes? on the subject have all let slip military or strategic initiatives, not diplomatic ones, like revealing that the U.S. is training Ukrainian troops in Poland. > > As Jacobin?s Branko Marcetic noted , Blinken even went out of his way to throw cold water on supposed positive news coming out of Russia-Ukraine negotiations. The Secretary of State said he hadn?t seen any signs of ?constructive? progress, and any indication that Moscow might be willing to pull back might be to ?deceive people and deflect attention.? Even the New York Times vaporized a headline that briefly appeared Tuesday suggesting progress in negotiations. > > This is the before shot: > > > And this is the ?very shortly after? shot, hours later: > > > Things could change at any moment. Biden could suddenly pivot to helping Zelensky secure a diplomatic solution. But as of this writing, evidence suggests the United States is not interested in a settlement, and is gunning for a long-term play that would unseat Putin, crack the Sino-Russian alliance, and reverse the political malaise that?s beset neoliberal democracies for years, with one Rumsfeldian ?big move.? > > Well, you say, so what? Shouldn?t America use the occasion of Putin?s seemingly disastrous and indefensible invasion to try to force him out of power? > > Sure, that makes sense. Except for two things. ... > Keep reading this post and get 7 days free > Become a paid subscriber of TK News by Matt Taibbi to keep reading and get 7 days of free access to the full post archives. > > Start trial > A subscription gets you: > > Subscriber-only posts and full archive > Subscriber-only episodes in your podcast app > Post comments and join the community > ? 2022 Matt Taibbi Unsubscribe > 548 Market Street PMB 72296, San Francisco, CA 94104 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 07:52:50 2022 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 02:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: "Regime Change" Doesn't Work, You Morons In-Reply-To: <054B2F78-5694-468E-AA33-D8B851056E05@newsfromneptune.com> References: <20220331011152.2.84878b812b67ea82.a98y0tse@mg2.substack.com> <054B2F78-5694-468E-AA33-D8B851056E05@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Gosh, when I saw the subject line, I was just CERTAIN that it was in reference to Putin's ACTUAL, CRIMINAL efforts to bring about regime change in Ukraine!! :-O On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 10:14 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Matt Taibbi > *Subject: **"Regime Change" Doesn't Work, You Morons* > *Date: *March 30, 2022 at 8:11:52 PM CDT > *To: *cgestabrook at gmail.com > *Reply-To: *Matt Taibbi < > reply+ui4u6&692a&&035802f7ef3dcdcdd89ad3df575a7348b91f7106643b4fa4cad66f7909f18b1a at mg1.substack.com > > > > > > "Regime Change" Doesn't Work, You Morons > How > many examples of "regime change" blowing up in our faces do we really need > before realizing that it's a disastrous policy? Will we really try it with > a nuclear-armed adversary? > Matt Taibbi > Mar > 31 > > > > Not long ago, candidate Joe Biden?s most troubling behavioral tendency was > the surprise outburst of belligerence. Campaigning, he?d challenge > questioners to push-up contests, jam fingers in the sternums even of > supporters, and plunge into rambling monologues about leg hairs and > chain-fights. > > Now, the president?s face is often a mask of terror, like a man unsure of > how he came to be standing in the middle of an intersection. Mental cars > racing past, he met the press > > Monday, to clarify a statement made last week about Vladimir Putin: ?For > God?s sake, this man cannot remain in power.? Many interpreted this as a > call for regime change. Not at all, Biden said, reading from a large-print > cheat sheet > > ? this reportedly happened ? that reminded him to say he was merely > expressing ?moral outrage,? and ?not articulating a change in policy.? When > he ran out of pre-prepared remarks, he drifted back to danger, saying: > > *It?s more an aspiration than anything. He shouldn?t be in power.* > > The AP writeup > > offered help: ?He said he was expressing an ?aspiration? rather than a > goal of American foreign policy.? (I?m sure nuclear-armed Putin appreciated > the semantic difference). When Biden moved more toward candor, saying he > made ?no apologies? for his remarks, another reporter quickly tried to > guide him back to a safe harbor: > > *Q: Your personal feelings, sir? Your personal feelings?* > > *THE PRESIDENT: Personal. My personal feelings.* > > Biden even offered his *Princess Bride/*Vizzini-esque analysis that ?the > last thing I want to do is engage in a land war? with Russia?: > > > > Although administration mouthpieces Tony Blinken and Jen Psaki scrambled > to reassure a nervous world that the U.S. is not intent on ?doing regime > change? in Russia, officials everywhere have been telling reporters the > opposite on background. > > This cat was out of the bag weeks ago. As Joe Lauria at *Consortium* points > out > , > Biden was asked on February 24th, at the start of the invasion, what > sanctions would accomplish if they hadn?t prevented war. His answer > > : > > *No one expected the sanctions to prevent anything from happening. That > has to sh- ? this is going to take time. And we have to show resolve, so > he knows what?s coming and so the people of Russia know what he?s brought > on them. That?s what this is all about.* > > Biden said virtually the same thing in Brussels last week: > > *Sanctions never deter? The maintenance of sanctions, the increasing the > pain ? we will sustain what we?re doing not just next month, the following > month, but for the remainder of this entire year. That?s what will stop > him.* > > We heard this more explicitly from Boris Johnson on March 1st > , > ?The measures we are introducing, that large parts of the world are > introducing, are to *bring down the Putin regime*,? Johnson said. Lauria > points out this was two days after British Armed Forces Minister James > Heappey wrote in the > *Telegraph > * > that* ?*His failure must be complete*? *the Russian people empowered to > see how little he cares for them. In showing them that, *Putin?s days as > President will surely be numbered? He?ll lose power and he won?t get to > choose his successor*.? > > Jen Psaki?s non-committal answer > > to *The* *Intercept?s* question about whether or not Volodymyr Zelensky > has autonomy to negotiate the end of sanctions, and the apparent > disinterest of the United States in participating in peace talks, also > speaks to this. Biden?s many ?gaffes? on the subject have all let slip > military or strategic initiatives, not diplomatic ones, like revealing > > that the U.S. is training Ukrainian troops in Poland. > > As *Jacobin?s *Branko Marcetic noted > , > Blinken even went out of his way to throw cold water on supposed positive > news coming out of Russia-Ukraine negotiations. The Secretary of State said > he hadn?t seen any signs of ?constructive? progress, and any indication > that Moscow might be willing to pull back might be to ?deceive people and > deflect attention.? Even the *New York Times* vaporized a headline that > briefly appeared Tuesday suggesting progress in negotiations. > > This is the before shot: > > > > And this is the ?very shortly after? shot, hours later: > > > > Things could change at any moment. Biden could suddenly pivot to helping > Zelensky secure a diplomatic solution. But as of this writing, evidence > suggests the United States is not interested in a settlement, and is > gunning for a long-term play that would unseat Putin, crack the > Sino-Russian alliance, and reverse the political malaise that?s beset > neoliberal democracies for years, with one Rumsfeldian ?big move.? > > Well, you say, so what? Shouldn?t America use the occasion of Putin?s > seemingly disastrous and indefensible invasion to try to force him out of > power? > Sure, that makes sense. Except for two things. ... > Keep reading this post and get 7 days free > > Become a paid subscriber of *TK News by Matt Taibbi* to keep reading and > get 7 days of free access to the full post archives. > Start trial > > A subscription gets you: > Subscriber-only posts and full archive > Subscriber-only episodes in your podcast app > Post comments and join the community > > ? 2022 Matt Taibbi Unsubscribe > > 548 Market Street PMB 72296, San Francisco, CA 94104 > > [image: Publish on Substack] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Mar 31 14:17:59 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 09:17:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Urging regime change in Russia, Biden exposes US aims in Ukraine Message-ID: https://mate.substack.com/p/urging-regime-change-in-russia-biden From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Mar 31 16:22:22 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:22:22 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Urging regime change in Russia, Biden exposes US aims in Ukraine Message-ID: <233A2ED8-91F3-444F-9512-4DCC4A406762@newsfromneptune.com> https://mate.substack.com/p/urging-regime-change-in-russia-biden The US is responsible for the deaths in Ukraine. ### From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Mar 31 23:56:11 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 18:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV In-Reply-To: <20d9a5da-75a6-989a-6ac1-db5d3266ceaf@forestfield.org> References: <20d9a5da-75a6-989a-6ac1-db5d3266ceaf@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <99f0c469-c7f6-3565-3a40-3cef4b8def75@forestfield.org> I wrote: > As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your > video pointers to UPTV (UPTV at urbanaillinois.us). I have continued to ask UPTV to > prioritize AWARE members video pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl > Estabrook & David Green's video pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and > David Johnson's video pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. I don't know that the above shows have timeslots on UPTV anymore. When Jason Liggett worked at UPTV the videos I suggested ran during those timeslots but I'm not sure that UPTV runs the videos I suggest to them anymore. I've asked UPTV to respond to me indicating whether they run the videos. I have not yet received any feedback. If there's no clear evidence that these videos run I will stop submitting & publishing the video pointers. Watching the videos and putting together the lists takes a considerable amount of time, time I'd like to put to other use if UPTV doesn't run the shows. If any of you have cable TV and the UPTV channel, please take a look for these shows, see what runs, and please let us all know what you saw. Thanks.