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I couldn’t disagree with Robert Naiman  more on this topic. 
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<div class="">Ellison, maybe nice, and he fits the bill as a token for what the DNC needs or wants to spiff up their image. He’s Black, a Muslim, and articulate, okay he’s not a woman, but they tried that one recently….... However, he supports war, and will
 offer the continuity that the Democratic Party wants in respect to US foreign policy, and hegemony, just in case the Republicans under Trump don’t comply. Maybe McCain is an extreme example, in so far as rhetoric is concerned, but hey the Democrats have always
 used words of peace, and McCain is just the “bad” cop to Ellison’s (good) cop. It’s all about appearances. </div>
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<div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 14:32, David Green via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I like Glen Ford as an individual human being. He's had me on his radio show. He's a very nice, affable guy.
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<div class="">But as an authority on the topic at hand - and this piece is from three years ago - Glen Ford is not credible. </div>
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<div class="">Anyone who thinks that there's not a dime's worth of difference between Ellison and McCain on war and peace is not a serious person. It's a free country. People can say whatever they want. You can be a Truther, a Birther, an anti-vaxxer. But,
 given that people have other things to do with their lives, people who are serious shouldn't waste time with such things. And, of course, people who support the Green Party are not meaningful authority on the affairs of progressive Democrats. </div>
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<div class="">Here are the three serious candidates. </div>
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<div class="">There is a central committee meeting on November 30. We'll be asking them to pass a resolution in support of Keith Ellison's candidacy to lead the DNC.</div>
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<div class="">Here's our petition at MoveOn:</div>
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<div class="">@ChampaignCoDems: Back @KeithEllison for #DNCChair<br clear="none" class="">
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