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I just looked at the piece by Cohen in the Nation. I have always agreed with him that NATO was too provocative vs Russia in Eastern Europe. But I think Cohen puts it too mildly when he talks about Russia supporting "anti-status quo" movements in Europe. I
understand Putin's desire to use any tool to fight back, but the movements he is supporting, including the French National Front in Front, are racist, xenophobic groups founded by collaborators in France and former Nazis in Austria. The combination of these
groups coming to power, and allying with the puritanical/authoritarian/opposition killing state of Russia, is not a result I look forward to. Just look at Hungary under Oban.<br>
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I think we should continue to be critical of the neo-cons of either party in the US, but we should also be very wary of the process going on in Europe now that Putin is encouraging--even if we understand why he is doing it.<br>
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<b>To:</b> Fields, A Belden<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria<br>
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<div>I believe that Carl is primarily and justly concerned with US. wars and other depredations, and, in these perilous times, the new cold war—getting increasingly warmer— between the U.S. government and Russia/Putin. In this, he will find some confirmation
of his attitude in the fascinating and enlightening podcast of Stephen Cohen on the subject of the demonization of Russia/Putin by the war parties inn D.C. Watch: <a href="https://www.thenation.com/article/american-cold-warriors-want-to-fight-russia-not-terrorism/" class="" target="_blank">https://www.thenation.com/article/american-cold-warriors-want-to-fight-russia-not-terrorism/</a>
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<div class="">This is not an excuse relating to other mattters here discussed, but I think it is an important issue. </div>
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Fields, A Belden via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" class="" target="_blank">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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Your quoting from another source (the duran) contending that Trump is a moderate and your extensive quote in today's News-Gazette from Alexander Cockburn (whom you characterize as the "best political reporter in the US in his generation--a dubious contention
at best) slamming the Southern Poverty Law Center as money-grabbing, are evasions in which you accept no responsibility because you are just quoting other sources. This is a cowardly way to write. I find your "letter" in the the N-G particularly offensive
because it appeals to the generally conservative readers of the N-G to view the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the major stalwarts against bigotry in this country, to be a rotten organization. We need the Center now more than ever.<br class="">
You present yourself as critically progressive, but have a knack of serving the right. Your attack on the Southern Poverty Law Center is particularly low and gratuitous, even for you. It is beneath contemptible. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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<div class="">As Mort writes, we do not know what policies the Trump regime will pursue. From his past words and actions and his Cabinet and staff nominations--including many white supremacists and individuals connected to racism and a disregard for civil rights,
science deniers, skeptics of public education, and the potential for graft and corruption--we have ample reason to be concerned about both his character and his policies. To ignore this man's despicable character, as evidenced by his racism and xenophobia
and fascist tendencies and his choices in staffing the next administration (regime), is to condone it. </div>
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On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:48 AM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" class="" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character?
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<div class="">The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices.</div>
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<div class="">Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a
no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that.</div>
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<div class="">The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next. </div>
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<div class="">Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl?
His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character
traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being?</div>
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<div class="">That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you. </div>
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<div class="">Aside from his asserted intention to talk to the Russians and emphasize domestic over foreign affairs, his statements relative to China and Cuba and…, with respect to climate change, his coziness with Generals and his expressed intention to
increase military spending perhaps by a factor of two, his favoring of “order” (police?) over civil rights, does not lead me to believe the confident remarks of the author who wrote the sentence cited below.This, even leaving aside the various contradictory
and ignorant statements he is prone to make.. But yes, he will be a traditionally conservative Republican in favoring the corporate world which he probably knows best and in diverse retrograde social issues. </div>
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<div class="">I highly recommend a recent YouTube presentation by economist Richard Wolf on the subject of Trumpenomics: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4dut6sPW52Q&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=jbq2REMoWTrUcPcW_Zw2dZeZmWCombhW2QUPPXFJd58&s=N1CKhzmKitDas355CVb225hfI4Az5HZWsARv6ms2Jes&e=" class="" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dut6sPW52Q</a></div>
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<div class="">On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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to the apparatuses that should have been forgotten after the Cold War and his fiscal policies could easily be confused with those of a pre-Goldwater East Coast Republican.”
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