<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;" class="">More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen.</span><div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">This is from six months ago, re <<a href="https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands" class="">https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands</a>>:</div><div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;"><blockquote type="cite" class="">...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign).<br class="">See Adolph Reed's mordant description … :<br class=""><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>"[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature.<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>"An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people.<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>"It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” <<a href="http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/" class="">http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/</a>>.<br class=""><br class="">It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?)<br class="">It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes.<br class=""><<a href="https://www.popularresistance.org/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-in-37-nations-since-wwii/" class="">https://www.popularresistance.org/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-in-37-nations-since-wwii/</a>>.<br class=""><br class="">AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.<br class="">And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. <br class=""><br class="">I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards, Carl</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Carl, Google it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto" class="">Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size: 100%;" class=""><!-- originalMessage --><div class="">-------- Original message --------</div><div class="">From: "Carl G. Estabrook" </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Point to items on their list that are identity politics</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size: 100%;" class=""><!-- originalMessage --><div class="">-------- Original message --------</div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 100%;" class=""> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique:</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><<a href="http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/" class="">http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/</a>>.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<div class=""><div class="">Carl, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands.</div><div class="">-karen medina</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Peace mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">Peace@lists.chambana.net</a><br class="">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>