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<div class="">I agree with your statement below, as well as that which the article below emphasizes: </div>
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<div class="">"<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;" class="">Lilla saw firsthand the deterioration of the relationship between the Democratic party and working-class whites in Michigan, a breakdown
motivated in part by “the sense people had that there was a Democratic cultural elite that looked down on them and their religion and their family life and their traditional views”.</span></div>
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In an influential 1985 study of Macomb, Stan Greenberg, a pollster, argued that white rust belt voters lost faith in the Democratic party due to a perception that it advocated for other groups – black Americans, the very poor, recent immigrants, feminists –
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<div class="">Where I disagree with you, is when you insist that the “rust belt folks support Trump because they are opposed to war” That is wishful thinking on your part. </div>
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<div class="">Those that supported Trump as the anti-war candidate tend to be the educated republicans who oppose war, they had hope based upon
<b class="">some</b> of what he said in his campaign speech. They of course were wrong just as the liberal Democrats were wrong in supporting Obama, as a peace candidate. </div>
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<div class="">The American people need to stop putting faith in anything a candidate has to say and look behind the curtain of OZ, as to who is controlling the candidate. Neither Democrat or Republican Parties will allow a President to follow his own path,
assuming he has one other than getting elected, given ownership by the corporate elites. </div>
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2017, at 07:44, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p class=""><a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmedia%2F2017%2Fdec%2F21%2Fmark-lilla-identity-politics-liberals&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9259019a8a154703faa208d54952fd31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636495543131413043&sdata=7j2BCbO47RR8LW6cWF9oPjJo4QwXGK3bERd6JPNWXf4%3D&reserved=0" class="">https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/dec/21/mark-lilla-identity-politics-liberals</a></p>
<p class="">"Macomb County, Michigan, Lilla’s birthplace just outside Detroit, was one of the rust belt counties that voted twice for Obama before going for Trump – a fact which complicates the progressive ‘whitelash' thesis that Trump voters were motivated
by racial resentment."</p>
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<p class="">The desperate attempt to blame this fact on racism and/or misogyny shows that identity politics is a cover for liberals' abandonment of class politics. </p>
<div class="">Its real source is the immiseration of the American middle class and the confiscation of their life chances, in comparison with their parents, over 40 years of accelerating growth of inequality. </div>
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<div class="">Liberals decry discrimination in order not to have to talk about exploitation. </div>
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<div class="">—CGE</div>
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