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<div class="">Then by all means, don’t let me deter you, keep up the good work, defrocking this guy. Going after Max Blumenthal in and of itself, is a clear indication of Proyect’s support for hegemony and imperialism.</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:13, David Green <<a href="mailto:davidgreen50@gmail.com" class="">davidgreen50@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Since Proyect has a decent following both on his blog and Marxmail, and because the views on Syria that shape his criticism of TRNN are common among a certain faction of the left (ISO, John Reimann, etc.) I think it's notable when the debate about
Syria carries over into other contexts; many are not aware of the ideological connections between these contexts. This discourse tell us something about the challenges of the anti-war & anti-imperialist movements, such as they are, in this country. Proyect
has been fundamental, in his own minor way, in defining these fractures. Nevertheless, part of my interest in him stems from the informative nature of his blog and Marxmail (although I don't read his movie reviews), as well as his weekly presence on Counterpunch.
Admittedly, Proyect's demonization of someone like Max Blumenthal is perhaps too morbidly interesting to me; but his "support" for Kashoggi is of a somewhat different order than Jebreal's, and I felt it was worth noting the distinction.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM Karen Aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" class="">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#111111" face="Roboto, Noto, sans-serif" class=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><b class="">David</b>: Why quote Louis Proyect, he
is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.
<b class="">Carl:</b> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg,
with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
Party, violently opposed.</span></font></span>
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<div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#111111" face="Roboto, Noto, sans-serif" class=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><b class="">David:</b> I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi,
on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:inherit" class="">Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights
blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one
deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place
only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.</p>
<p style="margin:6px 0px;font-family:inherit" class="">MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow
Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the
gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.</p>
<p style="margin:6px 0px 0px;display:inline;font-family:inherit" class="">The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics,
and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and
corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.</p>
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