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I’m sorry Mort, but what doesn’t logically follow is anyone assuming we can end war with a Democrat or Republican President in the White House as if they are all powerful, they are owned by those who put them there. Both Party’s are owned by the corporate elites,
and all those who profit from war.
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<div class="">By war I mean, interventions, sanctions, and our use of proxy’s. <br class="">
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<div class=""> A Bernie or Tulsi in the WH would be better than Trump on domestic issues which is a reason to support them. </div>
<div class="">Though many of us thought that of Obama. </div>
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<div class="">On Sep 5, 2019, at 20:08, Brussel, Morton K <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" class="">brussel@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="" class="">…"Tulsi. Her statement that she would support any candidate the DNC comes up with,
<b class="">is to acknowledge she is not really anti-war.</b> …" This conclusion does not logically follow. She would like to be the Dem candidate. Hence, she is not likely to disavow the party, and she may still be against U.S. war policies. </span><br class="">
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<div class="">On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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Yes, you did, as you accepted defeat, in your argument with J.B. over Tulsi. Her statement that she would support any candidate the DNC comes up with, is to acknowledge she is not really anti-war. Loyalty to the Party comes first, that means whether Democrat
or Republican, the candidate no matter what they say as a candidate, is not really anti-war.
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 5, 2019, at 08:52, C G Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com" class="">cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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What I said was that it was regrettable that Gabbard, the only anti-war contender for the Democratic nomination for president, said that she would support the Democratic nominee, whoever that turned out to be.
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It looks as though those opposed to the Obama-Trump wars will have to vote for a third party, probably the Greens.<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 31, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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I take it back, a worthwhile listen, if only to hear Carl say he was wrong about Tulsi Gabbard and JB Nicholson has been right. Which by extension includes me, as I have been saying for some time, Tulsi is a sheepherder for the DNC focusing on anti-war activists...<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 30, 2019, at 16:45, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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News from Neptune #434<br class="">
Video: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFdeGjETKXE" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFdeGjETKXE</a><br class="">
A "What the 2020 Election Is About" edition<br class="">
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A list of links to items referenced on the show.<br class="">
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Recent Joe Biden talk (and talk of those speaking on his behalf) courtesy of the Jimmy Dore program<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5xb4llOhgU" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5xb4llOhgU</a> -- Biden's Press Secretary's "word salad" on how climate change debate is a bad idea and the time for it was in the past (when the Democrats also
said it was a bad idea to have that debate)<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbV3l5j3S4E" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbV3l5j3S4E</a> -- Jill Biden admitting her husband is a horrible choice but somehow 'electable' and ultimately we must give up everything to "defeat Trump", right?<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYbE2E9dvGg" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYbE2E9dvGg</a> -- Biden attacking Mexicans in secret video.<br class="">
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Rep. Tulsi Gabbard interviewed by CBS<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzVSYBNgOeI" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzVSYBNgOeI</a> -- "Defeating Trump" is Rep. Gabbard's goal even if it means supporting whatever Democrat gets the nomination.<br class="">
<a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tulsi-gabbard-on-her-political-future/" class="">https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tulsi-gabbard-on-her-political-future/</a> -- a brief video ending with Rep. Gabbard conceding that she'll endorse any Democrat, even one who
holds values ostensibly opposite to hers.<br class="">
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<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaH2rSgQzLE" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaH2rSgQzLE</a> -- Bernie Sanders said he'll vote for Biden in 2020 if Biden is the nominee.<br class="">
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J.B. Nicholson on "Is Tulsi Gabbard really anti-war? No, she’s pro-drone and for “surgical strikes”"<br class="">
<a href="https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/" class="">https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/</a><br class="">
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B.B. King<br class="">
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.B._King" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.B._King</a><br class="">
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B.B. King's "The Thrill is Gone"<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oica5jG7FpU" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oica5jG7FpU</a><br class="">
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Tulsi Gabbard with The Intercept in January 2018<br class="">
<a href="https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/" class="">https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/</a><br class="">
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Primo Nutmeg interview<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0GyqD0t2t8" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0GyqD0t2t8</a> -- video<br class="">
<a href="http://audio.voxnest.com/stream/9417a19f73964ff599a9cb7b84a5d268/www.buzzsprout.com/205226/1016930-171-tulsi-gabbard.mp3?blob_id=2161843" class="">http://audio.voxnest.com/stream/9417a19f73964ff599a9cb7b84a5d268/www.buzzsprout.com/205226/1016930-171-tulsi-gabbard.mp3?blob_id=2161843</a>
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David Green on "Concerns voiced about Bend the Arc" letter to the News-Gazette<br class="">
<a href="https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letter-to-the-editor-concerns-voiced-about-bend-the-arc/article_99b2ac36-4279-5cad-8b60-892ca30dde6e.html" class="">https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letter-to-the-editor-concerns-voiced-about-bend-the-arc/article_99b2ac36-4279-5cad-8b60-892ca30dde6e.html</a><br class="">
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Donald Trump on Jewish "great disloyalty" for voting Democrat<br class="">
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/20/us/politics/trump-jewish-voters.html" class="">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/20/us/politics/trump-jewish-voters.html</a> -- Julie Hirschfeld Davis on "Trump Accuses Jewish Democrats of ‘Great Disloyalty’"<br class="">
<a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/459219-most-voters-disapprove-of-trumps-jewish-loyalty-comment-poll" class="">https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/459219-most-voters-disapprove-of-trumps-jewish-loyalty-comment-poll</a> -- Rachel
Frazin on "Most voters disapprove of Trump's Jewish 'loyalty' comment: poll"<br class="">
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Long Stephen Miller articles from The New York Times<br class="">
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Rasputin<br class="">
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin</a><br class="">
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Jason DeParle on "How Stephen Miller Seized the Moment to Battle Immigration" (from 2019-08-17)<br class="">
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/17/us/politics/stephen-miller-immigration-trump.html" class="">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/17/us/politics/stephen-miller-immigration-trump.html</a><br class="">
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Michelle Cottle on "Stephen Miller Can’t Act Alone" (from 2019-04-09)<br class="">
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/opinion/stephen-miller-trump-immigration.html" class="">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/opinion/stephen-miller-trump-immigration.html</a><br class="">
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Matt Flegenheimer on "Stephen Miller, the Powerful Survivor on the President’s Right Flank" (from 2017-10-09)<br class="">
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/us/politics/stephen-miller-trump-white-house.html" class="">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/us/politics/stephen-miller-trump-white-house.html</a><br class="">
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Norman Finkelstein on Israel being an "alt-right country"<br class="">
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<a href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8e2uhX4QfJw" class="">https://www.youtube.com/embed/8e2uhX4QfJw</a> -- Norman Finkelstein Q&A<br class="">
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Peter Bolton on "Norman Finkelstein tells The Canary that anti-Corbyn smears have ‘nothing whatever to do with antisemitism’"<br class="">
<a href="https://www.thecanary.co/exclusive/2019/08/15/norman-finkelstein-tells-the-canary-that-anti-corbyn-smears-have-nothing-whatever-to-do-with-antisemitism/" class="">https://www.thecanary.co/exclusive/2019/08/15/norman-finkelstein-tells-the-canary-that-anti-corbyn-smears-have-nothing-whatever-to-do-with-antisemitism/</a><br class="">
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<a href="http://daysofpalestine.com" class="">DaysOfPalestine.com</a> on "Jewish scholar Norman Finkelstein says ‘Israel is a nation of murderers’ loved by the far right"<br class="">
<a href="https://daysofpalestine.com/post/12616/jewish-scholar-norman-finkelstein-says-%E2%80%98israel-is-a-nation-of-murderers%E2%80%99-loved-by-the-far-right" class="">https://daysofpalestine.com/post/12616/jewish-scholar-norman-finkelstein-says-%E2%80%98israel-is-a-nation-of-murderers%E2%80%99-loved-by-the-far-right</a><br class="">
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Patrick Cockburn articles on <a href="http://independent.co.uk" class="">independent.co.uk</a><br class="">
<a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/author/patrick-cockburn" class="">https://www.independent.co.uk/author/patrick-cockburn</a><br class="">
"Patrick Cockburn is an award-winning Independent columnist who specialises in analysis of Iraq, Syria and wars in the Middle East. He has been with The Independent since 1990."<br class="">
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Lily Puckett on "Trump administration considering blocking $250m in military assistance to Ukraine"<br class="">
<a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-ukraine-military-funding-john-bolton-russia-pentagon-latest-a9084291.html" class="">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-ukraine-military-funding-john-bolton-russia-pentagon-latest-a9084291.html</a><br class="">
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Continuity of policy: US administrations supporting Nazis<br class="">
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html" class="">https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html</a> -- contains pointer to a 600-page Justice Department report (<a href="http://documents.nytimes.com/confidential-report-provides-new-evidence-of-notorious-nazi-cases?ref=us#p=1" class="">http://documents.nytimes.com/confidential-report-provides-new-evidence-of-notorious-nazi-cases?ref=us#p=1</a>)
about how Nazis were given "safe haven" in US<br class="">
<a href="https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine" class="">https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine</a> -- including criticism of "Progressive media provides cover for US intentions in Ukraine"<br class="">
<a href="https://www.rt.com/news/450740-ukraine-radio-nazi-article/" class="">https://www.rt.com/news/450740-ukraine-radio-nazi-article/</a> -- "US-funded Ukrainian radio defends neo-Nazi group, deletes article when called out"<br class="">
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Jimmy Dore on New York Times editorial board's "pathetic apology for Russiagate coverage failure"<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BivCPmU3tjo" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BivCPmU3tjo</a><br class="">
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David Harvey's Anti-Capitalist Chronicles<br class="">
<a href="https://anticapitalistchronicles.libsyn.com/" class="">https://anticapitalistchronicles.libsyn.com/</a><br class="">
RSS feed: <a href="https://anticapitalistchronicles.libsyn.com/rss" class="">https://anticapitalistchronicles.libsyn.com/rss</a><br class="">
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David Harvey interview in Jacobin<br class="">
<a href="https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/david-harvey-neoliberalism-capitalism-labor-crisis-resistance/" class="">https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/david-harvey-neoliberalism-capitalism-labor-crisis-resistance/</a>
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"A Brief History of Neoliberalism" by David Harvey<br class="">
ISBN-13: 978-0199283279<br class="">
ISBN-10: 0199283273<br class="">
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"Capital in the Twenty-first Century" by Thomas Piketty<br class="">
ISBN-10: 0674979850<br class="">
ISBN-13: 978-0674979857<br class="">
Complete book: <a href="https://dowbor.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf" class="">
https://dowbor.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf</a><br class="">
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Michael Roberts' blog "The Next Recession"<br class="">
<a href="https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/" class="">https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/</a><br class="">
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Recent Dean Baker articles on Trump's trade war with China<br class="">
<a href="https://fair.org/home/dean-baker-on-trumps-trade-war-leo-fitzpatrick-on-wireless-merger/" class="">https://fair.org/home/dean-baker-on-trumps-trade-war-leo-fitzpatrick-on-wireless-merger/</a><br class="">
<a href="https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-trade-war-with-china-is-waged-to-make-the-rich-richer/" class="">https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-trade-war-with-china-is-waged-to-make-the-rich-richer/</a><br class="">
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Moderate Rebels (Max Blumenthal & Ben Norton) on "Hong Kong's real colonial history, and the protests' anti-China right-wing nativism - with Carl Zha"<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a38bOtUEXcc" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a38bOtUEXcc</a> -- video<br class="">
<a href="https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/moderaterebels/Moderate_Rebels_Hong_Kong_Carl_Zha_part_1.mp3?dest-id=553365" class="">https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/moderaterebels/Moderate_Rebels_Hong_Kong_Carl_Zha_part_1.mp3?dest-id=553365</a> -- audio<br class="">
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Doug Henwood interviews Brian Hioe on Hong Kong protests<br class="">
<a href="http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2019/19_08_22.mp3" class="">http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2019/19_08_22.mp3</a><br class="">
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Noam Chomsky on reading business press<br class="">
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<a href="https://www.ft.com/content/bcdefd38-3beb-3506-b24c-82285ac87f6c" class="">https://www.ft.com/content/bcdefd38-3beb-3506-b24c-82285ac87f6c</a><br class="">
"My impression in general is that the business press is more open, ... get the facts right..." (used as part of an ad for Financial Times)<br class="">
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<a href="https://chomsky.info/20081010/" class="">https://chomsky.info/20081010/</a><br class="">
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,583454,00.html" class="">http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,583454,00.html</a> -- October 10, 2008 Der Spiegel interview of Chomsky includes:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">SPIEGEL: How does it benefit politicians when the populace drives a lot,<br class="">
eats a lot and goes shopping a lot? ><br class="">
Chomsky: Consumption distracts people. You cannot control your own<br class="">
population by force, but it can be distracted by consumption. The<br class="">
business press has been quite explicit about this goal.<br class="">
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<a href="https://chomsky.info/20101101/" class="">https://chomsky.info/20101101/</a><br class="">
<a href="http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?267553" class="">http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?267553</a> -- November 1, 2010 Outlook magazine (from India) interview of Chomsky includes:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">What has to be done is not really specific to the media. It is to<br class="">
develop a more functional democratic society, a more democratic culture.<br class="">
As far as the elites are concerned they want the public to be<br class="">
disciplined, passive, obedient and directed to other things. Take a look<br class="">
at the history of the huge public relations and advertising industry<br class="">
that we have today. It developed in the freest countries in the world —<br class="">
England and the US — around the time of the First World War.<br class="">
Incidentally, that was the time Lippmann was writing. It was developed<br class="">
very consciously, out of the understanding that enough freedom had been<br class="">
won by popular struggle and the population could not be controlled by<br class="">
force. Therefore, it was thought necessary to control attitudes and<br class="">
beliefs. In the business press of the 1920s, you can read very openly<br class="">
about the need to divert people to what they call the superficial thing<br class="">
in life like fashionable consumption. If we can direct people to that,<br class="">
they will keep out of our hair, we can run things. You see that in<br class="">
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Business Insider<br class="">
<a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/" class="">https://www.businessinsider.com/</a><br class="">
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Sonam Sheth on "US spies say Trump's G7 performance suggests he's either a 'Russian asset' or a 'useful idiot' for Putin"<br class="">
<a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/spies-react-trump-g7-summit-russian-asset-2019-8" class="">https://www.businessinsider.com/spies-react-trump-g7-summit-russian-asset-2019-8</a><br class="">
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