<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div><font face="sans-serif">Re > Letting the south secede.</font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif">Actually the northern states like Illinois were officially slave-free in name only. Indentured servants were legally held -- slaves that had no way of knowing their rights and no way to fight for their rights</font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">- Karen Medina</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "John W. via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> </div><div>Date: 1/13/21 14:28 (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com> </div><div>Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss@anti-war.net>, "C. G. Estabrook" <carl@newsfromneptune.com>, Peace <peace@anti-war.net>, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica@gmail.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days. <div><br></div><div>I’m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case. <div>Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead. </div><div><br></div><div>As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity. </div><div><br></div><div>Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, it's interesting. For every point of view, there's a countervailing point of view.</div><div><br></div><div>As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50 different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the federal law. It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible. </div><div><br></div><div>The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the federal government from growing too all-powerful. We've seen how the states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill. (The Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal intervention.) Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.</div><div><br></div><div>I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate country, albeit without slavery. The North would have done just fine without them. But that's a separate conversation.</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <<a href="mailto:deb.pdamerica@gmail.com" target="_blank">deb.pdamerica@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Sadly, tragically, no.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/" target="_blank">https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Yay!! We won!! We did it!!! By the time her competency hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><a href="https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row</a><br>
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