[Commotion-dev] Commotion-dev Digest, Vol 13, Issue 20

Thu May 24 12:09:08 UTC 2012

I see this as part of the fundamental conundrum that stems from phones
being retailed by companies that see wifi - adhoc or not - as competitive.

I agree that Google should not be part of that problem but rather fully
enable adhoc mode in a first class way "at the factory" and then let/force
operators to cripple it if they deem fit.

Dave

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>   1. virtualbox and commotion (Sean McIntyre)
>   2. convincing google to support ad-hoc mode (Hans-Christoph Steiner)
>   3. Re: convincing google to support ad-hoc mode (Alexander Chemeris)
>   4. Re: convincing google to support ad-hoc mode (Jeremy Lakeman)
>   5. Re: convincing google to support ad-hoc mode (Alexander Chemeris)
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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 22:13:49 -0400
> From: Sean McIntyre <boxysean at gmail.com>
> To: Commotion Development List <commotion-dev at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: [Commotion-dev] virtualbox and commotion
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> Hey folks,
>
> Wrote up my experiences setting up VirtualBox with Commotion today.
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> http://blog.boxysean.com/2012/05/23/virtualbox-and-commotion-openwrt/
>
> Maybe this should go on the wiki, too. Perhaps on a new page here?
> <
> https://code.commotionwireless.net/projects/commotion/wiki/Development_Notes
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> Sean
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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 23:06:10 -0400
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at guardianproject.info>
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> Subject: [Commotion-dev] convincing google to support ad-hoc mode
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> There are some internal rumblings in Google about making Android support
> Ad-hoc mode natively.  I think we should support this effort as much as
> possible, since it'll make mesh on Android work a lot easier.  One concern
> in Google is whether the hardware universally supports ad-hoc mode, or
> whether Android would have to make special cases for the hardware that does
> not support ad-hoc mode.
>
> As far as I know, all wifi hardware that would be included in an Android
> phone will support ad-hoc mode.  Anyone have any info on this, whether
> contradicting or supporting this claim?
>
> .hc
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:08:11 +0400
> From: Alexander Chemeris <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com>
> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at guardianproject.info>
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> Subject: Re: [Commotion-dev] convincing google to support ad-hoc mode
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> I heard that this mode on Android will support only a very specific
> protocol (don't recall its name) and will not be able to support
> something like olsr without rooting. Do you know whether they have
> changed their mind and plan to make something more universal?
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> <hans at guardianproject.info> wrote:
> >
> > There are some internal rumblings in Google about making Android support
> Ad-hoc mode natively. ?I think we should support this effort as much as
> possible, since it'll make mesh on Android work a lot easier. ?One concern
> in Google is whether the hardware universally supports ad-hoc mode, or
> whether Android would have to make special cases for the hardware that does
> not support ad-hoc mode.
> >
> > As far as I know, all wifi hardware that would be included in an Android
> phone will support ad-hoc mode. ?Anyone have any info on this, whether
> contradicting or supporting this claim?
> >
> > .hc
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>
> --
> Regards,
> Alexander Chemeris.
> CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
> http://fairwaves.ru
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:43:03 +0930
> From: Jeremy Lakeman <Jeremy.Lakeman at gmail.com>
> To: Alexander Chemeris <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com>
> Cc: Commotion Development List <commotion-dev at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Commotion-dev] convincing google to support ad-hoc mode
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> You might be thinking about Wifi Direct.
> This has previously been touted as a replacement for adhoc networking,
> even though it doesn't support any kind of mesh routing.
> Plus the sdk interface is similar to bluetooth pairing, setting up a
> network always requires user intervention.
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Alexander Chemeris
> <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I heard that this mode on Android will support only a very specific
> > protocol (don't recall its name) and will not be able to support
> > something like olsr without rooting. Do you know whether they have
> > changed their mind and plan to make something more universal?
> >
> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> > <hans at guardianproject.info> wrote:
> >>
> >> There are some internal rumblings in Google about making Android
> support Ad-hoc mode natively. ?I think we should support this effort as
> much as possible, since it'll make mesh on Android work a lot easier. ?One
> concern in Google is whether the hardware universally supports ad-hoc mode,
> or whether Android would have to make special cases for the hardware that
> does not support ad-hoc mode.
> >>
> >> As far as I know, all wifi hardware that would be included in an
> Android phone will support ad-hoc mode. ?Anyone have any info on this,
> whether contradicting or supporting this claim?
> >>
> >> .hc
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> > --
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> > Alexander Chemeris.
> > CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
> > http://fairwaves.ru
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:15:19 +0400
> From: Alexander Chemeris <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com>
> To: Jeremy Lakeman <Jeremy.Lakeman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Commotion Development List <commotion-dev at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Commotion-dev] convincing google to support ad-hoc mode
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> Yes, exactly.
> So, do you speak about it or something more generic?
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Jeremy Lakeman
> <Jeremy.Lakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You might be thinking about Wifi Direct.
> > This has previously been touted as a replacement for adhoc networking,
> > even though it doesn't support any kind of mesh routing.
> > Plus the sdk interface is similar to bluetooth pairing, setting up a
> > network always requires user intervention.
> >
> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Alexander Chemeris
> > <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I heard that this mode on Android will support only a very specific
> >> protocol (don't recall its name) and will not be able to support
> >> something like olsr without rooting. Do you know whether they have
> >> changed their mind and plan to make something more universal?
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> >> <hans at guardianproject.info> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are some internal rumblings in Google about making Android
> support Ad-hoc mode natively. ?I think we should support this effort as
> much as possible, since it'll make mesh on Android work a lot easier. ?One
> concern in Google is whether the hardware universally supports ad-hoc mode,
> or whether Android would have to make special cases for the hardware that
> does not support ad-hoc mode.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I know, all wifi hardware that would be included in an
> Android phone will support ad-hoc mode. ?Anyone have any info on this,
> whether contradicting or supporting this claim?
> >>>
> >>> .hc
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Alexander Chemeris.
> >> CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
> >> http://fairwaves.ru
> >>
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>
> --
> Regards,
> Alexander Chemeris.
> CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
> http://fairwaves.ru
>
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