From jking at chambana.net Thu Jun 2 21:01:10 2016 From: jking at chambana.net (Josh King) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 17:01:10 -0400 Subject: [Commotion-discuss] CW Firmware on a Ubiquiti Picostation M2HP In-Reply-To: <3c12e3a1-91e5-4078-a710-1d83091609a1@nikksno.io> References: <1459706365.11224939@webmail.pshift.com> <1461595863.14632.95.camel@chambana.net> <1463488556.2844.189.camel@chambana.net> <1463520927.2844.208.camel@chambana.net> <1463775390.2844.290.camel@chambana.net> <1464448054.3390.10.camel@chambana.net> <3c12e3a1-91e5-4078-a710-1d83091609a1@nikksno.io> Message-ID: <1464901270.4581.48.camel@chambana.net> Hi Nicolas, I don't have a copy of AirOS v5.5.10 handy, Ubiquiti doesn't seem to keep an archive of old versions. I've seen it a few places after googling for "ubiquiti firmware 5.5 download", but I'm hesitant to recommend any particular copy of that as they're all downloads from random sites. You can try them at your own risk. As I mentioned, I just use stock OpenWRT on my Archer C7 v2 home router. I use the Chaos Calmer v15.05 release, though I noticed that they released a v15.05.1 point release, so I'll most likely update to that soon: https://downloads.openwrt.org/chaos_calmer/15.05.1/ar71xx/generic/openw rt-15.05.1-ar71xx-generic-archer-c7-v2-squashfs-factory.bin https://downloads.openwrt.org/chaos_calmer/15.05.1/ar71xx/generic/openw rt-15.05.1-ar71xx-generic-archer-c7-v2-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin You're right that this kind of thing shouldn't be so difficult. Typically, the mesh networking community has not always been focused on less technical users starting out and more focused on hackers, developers, and network engineers. One of the multiple focuses of Commotion has been in trying to make this process easier. Unfortunately, this is a particularly volatile time for the mesh networking community in some ways. Due to the presence (and sometimes merely the threat) of FCC regulations here in the US, many router manufacturers have been locking down their hardware. This has exacerbated the always-present issue of silent hardware revisions when it comes to router firmware. It can be difficult to tell that a particular router that you're ordering, though seemingly identical, is actually as compatible with 3rd-party firmware as it has been in the past (something that I believe you're running into). At the same time, the OpenWRT project which underpins most of the development in this area has recently been forked into the LEDE project (https://www.lede-project.org/), and it's much too soon to know how this is going to affect downstream projects like Commotion. Personally, on the software side I believe that these projects are all going to come out of this stronger. On the hardware side, I'm guessing we may see a shift towards crowd-funded routers that are specifically designed for this sort of thing (like the Turris Omnia that I hope to receive this summer https://omnia.turris.cz/en/). But in the meantime it will just be a little more difficult than usual. On the Commotion side, development has languished for a bit due to a lack of resources. I've recently secured some more funding for work that will help kickstart development again (it's taking me a bit longer to get all the web and other resources updated to reflect this than I had hoped), and hopefully more resources will be forthcoming soon due to efforts I can't talk about yet. In the meantime, I would strongly suggest using Rocket M2's and M5's on the Ubiquiti side (which at least last I checked seemed to have had fewer hardware revisions and are at any rate far superior devices to Picostations), and I'll try and get some of the newer router support out in a release as soon as I can. My apologies for generally having a lag time of a couple days, I'm just extremely busy right now but will try and be more responsive. On Sun, 2016-05-29 at 05:17 +0200, Nicolas North wrote: > Hi Josh > Thank you so much for replying. > I've been thinking over and over about what to do all week and today > I've been getting a little lost as nothing really seems to work. Your > reply comes at the perfect time. Thank you. > Do you happen to have a copy of airos 5.5.10 or is it easy to find? > I'd like to try the downgrade and cw installation tomorrow on the > picostation. > About the tplink: I'm very lucky you have the same router at home. > I've installed openwrt but was struggling to figure out how to get > the 5ghz part working. I'm not sure why I didn't find any info > related to ac not working on the openwrt site. I've found info about > two different v2 models but I seem to be just under the serial number > threshold. The idea was to mesh over 5ghz and create WiFi over 2.4ghz > so it's definitely important to have it working perfectly. In any > event could you please send me the image you are using at home? I > can't seem to find it anywhere! > Do you think I should look into a similar router without ac to be on > the safe side? > Since I started writing this reply I've taken a look at the other > mail where you suggested the Detroit community technology project and > I am trying to piece things together to figure out the best approach > but I'm really confused. > I've spent six hours the other night following the metamesh > documentation [written for a picostation] but I can't seem to adapt > the configuration to a more complex router like the tplink because of > it having both a Wan and a Lan port set. > The bottom line is that I'd love to use commotion. If I get the > picostation working I will have to evaluate whether it's a sound > investment to try another bullet and  yet another picostation. If > instead I had an image for a tplink router I can actually purchase > here in Italy or knew how to compile it for said router it would make > things very easy. I wouldn't be able to install it maybe on all the > various routers I'm finding in people's homes but as they're all > mostly proprietary and maybe locked down they don't have an option to > flash firmware via Web interface so I wouldn't know how to make the > switch to openwrt or anything else anyway. > Metamesh and other projects like qmp that work on top of standard > openwrt installations need a non ac router at this point and I need > to figure out how to configure a router that is not a picostation but > one with Wan, Lan, and two WiFi interfaces. > I really think our setup should be fairly normal and common: lots of > houses distributed in an open area, soon we'll have fiber and I'd > love for all 300 of us to just get 4 contracts and share everything > instead of buying 300 of those contracts everyone for himself [that's > why I really need to show this works], use existing infrastructure as > much as possible [home routers] and ease of installation with cross > compatibility. I think that meshing over 5ghz and WiFi-ying over > 2.4ghz is the way to go since I need WiFi to enter houses and have > good strength and so on. If I have to replace routers and APs I will > but I need to know what works with openwrt and if I should keep my > hopes up for commotion or I should use something else provided I find > how to do so for non ubiquiti devices. > This really shouldn't be this hard. I love your project as I think > it's all around the best. However there are too many variables and > issues with the hardware world that have me thinking round the clock > what the best, most effective, most practical, most financially > reasonable, and most long term approach is, but I still have no idea. > Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it and I hope > you have that firmware for the tplink and maybe some ideas to point > me in the right direction. > Nicolas > On May 28, 2016 17:07, Josh King wrote: > Hey Nicolas, > > Sorry to be slow replying. I can only assume that the difference in > your experience is due to new Ubiquiti hardware revisions or similar. > If you're going to try downgrading AirOS, I believe Ben suggested > v5.5.10 for getting around some of the potential lockout problems. > > The Archer C7 v2 is a nice box, I actually use one for my home > router. > I think your best bet there for now is actually to go MetaMesh's > route > and install stock OpenWRT with a Commotion-compatible OLSRd > configuration. The problem with the C7 is that the 5GHz radio needs > the > newer ath10k driver, since it's an 802.11ac chipset. Commotion is not > yet built against the newest branch of OpenWRT, so it would lack the > necessary driver support. Frankly, even with the newest stock OpenWRT > installed on my home router, I need to reboot it occasionally due to > the 5GHz radio getting kind of stuck. I'm also not 100% certain that > the 802.11ac chipsets support ad-hoc mode as is currently required > for > Commotion. > > On Sat, 2016-05-21 at 15:37 +0200, Nicolas North wrote: > > Hi there! > > Thanks so much for testing this out. I really appreciate your help. > > Actually the only reason I switched to unifi was because all other > > firmware installs [even airos] were failing via tftp. It was a > simple > > last resort test and by accident I figured that once I had done > that > > I could revert to airos. The problem is that I was never able to > get > > cw working from an out of the box device [neither a pico neither a > > bullet] as they always got stuck in limbo. The one thing I have yet > > to try on my last stock firmware picostation is to downgrade to an > > earlier version of airos before switching over to commotion as per > > the instructions. Do you think this could be a solution? If so to > > what version should I downgrade? Should I do a total reset of the > > device's settings even before downgrading? > > On a side note I purchased a Tp Link Archer c7 v2 to familiarize > > myself with openwrt and I'd love to install commotion on it > > especially should I be unable to get the ubiquiti devices working. > > Would you be so kind as to tell me where I could find a version of > > commotion for it? If it had to be compiled how would I do that? > > I did my first rooftop installation yesterday [not counting my > house > > where I've actually been camping on the roof at night to get this > > project started ;] and it went very well. The tp link is there > > waiting to be activated with the right firmware. I'd love for it to > > mesh over 5ghz [it has three 5ghz dedicated external antennas] and > to > > provide WiFi access point over 2.4Ghz [it has three 2.4ghz > dedicated > > internal antennas]. > > Thanks again for all your support. > > Nicolas > >  > >  > > From: Josh King > > Reply: Josh King > > Date: 20 May 2016 at 23:06:53 > > To: Ben West > > CC: Nicolas North , commotion-discuss dis > > cuss at lists.chambana.net> > > Subject:  Re: [Commotion-discuss] CW Firmware on a Ubiquiti > > Picostation M2HP  > >  > > > That's my suspicion. Well, if i have time maybe I'll risk > bricking > > > one of these devices. Hopefully setting up a UniFi controller > isn't > > > a hard requirement.  > > >  > > > On May 20, 2016 4:27:57 PM EDT, Ben West > wrote:  > > > >FYI, to flash a Picostation from AirOS to UniFI, you had to > first > > > flash  > > > >a  > > > >transitional image at  > > > >http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/unifi/2.3.9/airos2unifi.bin, Then > > > you add  > > > >the  > > > >Picostation to the UniFI dashboard, which may trigger a 2nd > > > flashing.  > > > >  > > > >It is possible that the transitional image mucks around with > the  > > > >partition  > > > >table.  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Josh King > > > wrote:  > > > >  > > > >> Hi Nicolas,  > > > >>  > > > >> Okay, so I've been able to flash directly to Commotion, to > > > AirOS, and  > > > >> back on both of the Picostations I'm working with, both > through > > > the  > > > >web  > > > >> interface and TFTP on multiple versions of AirOS. I'm > wondering > > > if  > > > >> maybe the process of flashing it to the UniFi firmware may > have  > > > >messed  > > > >> with its partition table. Can you try flashing one of your  > > > >picostations  > > > >> back to AirOS using TFTP, and then flash it to Commotion v1.1 > > > using  > > > >> TFTP? Also, can you send me a link to the unofficial > > > instructions you  > > > >> mentioned for flashing it to UniFi? Thanks!  > > > >>  > > > >> On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 09:59 +0200, Nicolas North wrote:  > > > >> > Hi! Ok no problem thanks so much for your quick replies!  > > > >> >  > > > >> > Ok I see. I actually would be very happy to use the > > > picostation  > > > >m2hp  > > > >> > / bullet m2hp / rocket trifecta in the entire deployment as > > > they  > > > >are  > > > >> > three perfect sizes for our needs: normal houses would get > a  > > > >> > picostation, houses or offices with roof access would get a > > > bullet  > > > >> > with a 15dBi N type omni antenna, and the highest rooftops > > > would  > > > >get  > > > >> > a rocket with a 10dBi ubiquiti omni antenna also for future  > > > >expansion  > > > >> > outside the area. This was the initial plan and I think > would > > > work  > > > >> > very well. The two TP-Link devices on the commotion website > > > are for  > > > >> > indoors only and still cost very much here in Italy at > least.  > > > >> >  > > > >> > If however it’s true that cw firmware can be compiled for > any  > > > >device  > > > >> > supported by owrt [I was able to compile pure owrt in the > past > > > but  > > > >I  > > > >> > got stuck when trying to compile cw as I couldn’t get the  > > > >> > configuration menu to show] and if you have any suggestion > > > for  > > > >> > outdoor devices I could use I’ll jump on that ship right > now  > > > >without  > > > >> > further ado. I was looking into ubiquiti devices because of > > > the  > > > >great  > > > >> > experience I’ve been having with them [on their first party  > > > >firmware  > > > >> > at least ;] but really anything will do. How do others do > it  > > > >> > nowadays? I basically need any device that works and I can > > > attach a  > > > >> > larger than normal antenna [N type, Yagi, anything]. Ideally > > > there  > > > >> > should be a few possible antenna sizes for different > locations > > > but  > > > >> > then again I’m just starting out here but I think this is a > > > fairly  > > > >> > common setup and if anyone has a few minutes to chip in with > > > their  > > > >> > experience and / or to provide any suggestion that would be  > > > >immensely  > > > >> > appreciated.  > > > >> >  > > > >> > Thanks again so much everyone and Josh for looking into > this!  > > > >> >  > > > >> >  > > > >> > Nicolas  > > > >> >  > > > >> >  > > > >> >  > > > >> > From: Josh King   > > > >> > Reply: Josh King   > > > >> > Date: 17 May 2016 at 23:35:42  > > > >> > To: Nicolas North , commotion-discuss  > > > > > > >> > cuss at lists.chambana.net>  > > > >> > Subject: Re: [Commotion-discuss] CW Firmware on a Ubiquiti  > > > >> > Picostation M2HP  > > > >> >  > > > >> > > Hey Nicolas,  > > > >> > >  > > > >> > > I wasn't able to get the picostations until pretty late in > > > the  > > > >day,  > > > >> > > so  > > > >> > > I don't know if I'll have information for you tonight. If > > > not,  > > > >I'll  > > > >> > > do  > > > >> > > my best to get you some feedback as soon as I can > tomorrow.  > > > >> > >  > > > >> > > About the Unifi APs, I don't think we support any of their > > > AC  > > > >> > > hardware  > > > >> > > yet due to driver issues.  > > > >> > >  > > > >> > > On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 14:45 +0200, Nicolas North wrote:  > > > >> > > > Hi!  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > > That would be fantastic thank you so much!  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > > I can try anything you may suggest tonight.  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > > Thank you very much again in advance!  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > > Nicolas  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > > From: J. Heretic   > > > >> > > > Reply: J. Heretic   > > > >> > > > Date: 17 May 2016 at 14:41:58  > > > >> > > > To: Nicolas North , commotion-discuss  > > > >> > > > > >> > > > cuss at lists.chambana.net>  > > > >> > > > CC: Ben West   > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [Commotion-discuss] CW Firmware on a > > > Ubiquiti  > > > >> > > > Picostation M2HP  > > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > > > Hi Nicolas,  > > > >> > > > >  > > > >> > > > > I'm going to grab some picostations from the office > > > today and  > > > >> > > try  > > > >> > > > > again  > > > >> > > > > to reproduce the problem you're having.  > > > >> > > > >  > > > >> > > > > On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 11:13 +0200, Nicolas North > wrote:  > > > >> > > > > > Hi there everyone!  > > > >> > > > > > I'm very sorry for the really late reply but I've > been > > > a  > > > >> > > little  > > > >> > > > > held  > > > >> > > > > > back lately by all of the difficulties I've > > > encountered  > > > >> > > while  > > > >> > > > > > starting this project that I really believe in, so > > > I've  > > > >been  > > > >> > > > > working  > > > >> > > > > > on it on my own for a few weeks to see what I could > > > figure  > > > >> > > out.  > > > >> > > > > Key  > > > >> > > > > > updates are as follows:  > > > >> > > > > > I've found a way to "unlock" / "unbrick" ubiquiti  > > > >> > > picostations  > > > >> > > > > and  > > > >> > > > > > bullets and have been able to do so several times. > For > > > now  > > > >> > > my  > > > >> > > > > > experience has always been: unbox them, try > > > installing  > > > >> > > commotion  > > > >> > > > > > firmware immediately from the web interface as per > > > the  > > > >> > > > > instructions,  > > > >> > > > > > device installs and reboots, seemingly gets stuck in > > > limbo  > > > >> > > [no  > > > >> > > > > > bootloop but not showing up in any network scan with > > > or  > > > >> > > without  > > > >> > > > > dhcp  > > > >> > > > > > under any subnet], enter tftp, try reinstalling > > > AirOS,  > > > >> > > device  > > > >> > > > > reboots  > > > >> > > > > > into endless bootloop, enter tftp again to flash cw  > > > >firmware  > > > >> > > only  > > > >> > > > > to  > > > >> > > > > > get 512 firmware check error. The solution for me > has  > > > >> > > > > consistently  > > > >> > > > > > been to install unifi on the devices as per > ubiquiti  > > > >> > > instructions  > > > >> > > > > [a  > > > >> > > > > > procedure that is unsupported but explained on > their  > > > >> > > website]  > > > >> > > > > via  > > > >> > > > > > tftp [I can provide the link if anyone is > interested]  > > > >> > > [always  > > > >> > > > > got  > > > >> > > > > > them working on unifi like this btw], then enter > tftp > > > again  > > > >> > > and  > > > >> > > > > > install AirOS 5.1.2, and only then was I always able > > > to  > > > >> > > actually  > > > >> > > > > > install cw firmware via AirOS web interface and > > > working as  > > > >> > > > > instructed  > > > >> > > > > > in the cw howtos. The devices reboot perfectly and > > > fully  > > > >> > > > > functionally  > > > >> > > > > > in cw and except for my first attempt [see last > mail] > > > where  > > > >> > > I  > > > >> > > > > had  > > > >> > > > > > problems with LuCI, I was always able to do the > > > initial  > > > >> > > setup  > > > >> > > > > > perfectly. The major problem here which had been > > > haunting  > > > >my  > > > >> > > > > dreams  > > > >> > > > > > [irony, but true] for the last few weeks is that > upon > > > the  > > > >> > > first  > > > >> > > > > > reboot the devices completely loose their mesh and > > > WiFi  > > > >> > > configs  > > > >> > > > > and  > > > >> > > > > > they seem to be missing key packages suck as olsr > and > > > such.  > > > >> > > A  > > > >> > > > > > possible explanation for this is that after the cw > > > install  > > > >> > > only  > > > >> > > > > 2% of  > > > >> > > > > > space is left on the device's NAND for some reason I > > > have  > > > >yet  > > > >> > > to  > > > >> > > > > > understand. A quick df -h via ssh reveals the > > > partitions  > > > >all  > > > >> > > > > together  > > > >> > > > > > make up less than 50MB although this also appears to > > > be the  > > > >> > > case  > > > >> > > > > with  > > > >> > > > > > stock AirOS and Unifi at least on my devices.  > > > >> > > > > > I've been searching everywhere for a solution to > this  > > > >> > > problem  > > > >> > > > > and  > > > >> > > > > > I've found that the standard openwrt image is 50MB > > > but  > > > >being  > > > >> > > > > these  > > > >> > > > > > always bin files I've never been able to expand > their  > > > >> > > partitions  > > > >> > > > > > before flashing them.  > > > >> > > > > > I've also tried installing stock owrt following > > > metamesh's  > > > >> > > > > directives  > > > >> > > > > > from a link in the last email but although I could > > > install  > > > >> > > it  > > > >> > > > > > [through the super complex procedure listed above] > on > > > both  > > > >> > > > > devices I  > > > >> > > > > > still got 98% of storage space used and couldn't get > > > all  > > > >> > > > > packages  > > > >> > > > > > installed as per their tutorial!  > > > >> > > > > > I really don't understand how this is happening > given > > > that  > > > >> > > > > except  > > > >> > > > > > from the possible firmware locks introduced recently > > > I'm  > > > >> > > > > basically  > > > >> > > > > > getting extremely common deviceS in the mesh world > > > and  > > > >> > > installing  > > > >> > > > > cw  > > > >> > > > > > or even stock openwrt onto them. I'd really like to > > > know  > > > >> > > what  > > > >> > > > > I'm  > > > >> > > > > > doing wrong. I've seen your new thread about this > > > ubiquiti  > > > >> > > issue  > > > >> > > > > but  > > > >> > > > > > I don't understand how I could even try using other > > > routers  > > > >> > > on  > > > >> > > > > the cw  > > > >> > > > > > download page if they're not weather proof. Apart > from > > > the  > > > >> > > fact  > > > >> > > > > of  > > > >> > > > > > course that I risk getting even more devices that > will > > > end  > > > >> > > up  > > > >> > > > > bricked  > > > >> > > > > > or not fully functional after all of the money I've > > > already  > > > >> > > > > spent.  > > > >> > > > > > Should I try with unifi AC AP pros? Are they > supported > > > by  > > > >> > > cw?  > > > >> > > > > > I really want and need to start this project. It'll > be > > > a  > > > >> > > very  > > > >> > > > > > profound achievement I think and there are already > > > tens of  > > > >> > > > > people  > > > >> > > > > > with more every day asking me when it'll be online > and > > > I  > > > >> > > cannot  > > > >> > > > > > accept that it's not working or even worse that I'm > > > so  > > > >close  > > > >> > > such  > > > >> > > > > as  > > > >> > > > > > having it only work until a reboot or a power loss > > > related  > > > >> > > hard  > > > >> > > > > > reboot.  > > > >> > > > > > I will happily reward any dev or specialist at cw or > > > in  > > > >> > > this  > > > >> > > > > > community with a 100€ bounty / donation if this can > > > help  > > > >[all  > > > >> > > I  > > > >> > > > > can  > > > >> > > > > > afford right now] that will be able to help me get > > > online  > > > >by  > > > >> > > any  > > > >> > > > > mean  > > > >> > > > > > in a timely fashion and in a cost effective way, > with > > > more  > > > >> > > small  > > > >> > > > > > donations to the project every month in the future > > > from the  > > > >> > > tip  > > > >> > > > > jar  > > > >> > > > > > we'll establish here on location.  > > > >> > > > > > This has to happen now :)  > > > >> > > > > > Thanks in advance and truly sincere kudos for the > > > amazing  > > > >> > > work  > > > >> > > > > on  > > > >> > > > > > this fantastic project. I really appreciate all of > > > your  > > > >help  > > > >> > > on  > > > >> > > > > this  > > > >> > > > > > as well of course and I definitely look forward to > > > working  > > > >> > > with  > > > >> > > > > you.  > > > >> > > > > > Thanks again!  > > > >> > > > > >  > > > >> > > > > > Nicolas  > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________  > > > >> > > > Commotion-discuss mailing list  > > > >> > > > Commotion-discuss at lists.chambana.net  > > > >> > > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/commotion-di > sc > > > uss  > > > >> > > --  > > > >> > > Josh King  > > > >> > > PGP Fingerprint: 8269 ED6F EA3B 7D78 F074 1E99 2FDA 4DA1 > > > 69AE  > > > >4999  > > > >> --  > > > >> Josh King  > > > >> PGP Fingerprint: 8269 ED6F EA3B 7D78 F074 1E99 2FDA 4DA1 69AE > > > 4999  > > > >>  > > > >> _______________________________________________  > > > >> Commotion-discuss mailing list  > > > >> Commotion-discuss at lists.chambana.net  > > > >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/commotion-discuss  > > > >>  > > > >>  > > >  > > > --  > > > Josh King  > > > PGP Fingerprint: 8269 ED6F EA3B 7D78 F074 1E99 2FDA 4DA1 69AE > 4999  > > > Sent from a tiny computer. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From georgia at opentechinstitute.org Thu Jun 16 14:15:11 2016 From: georgia at opentechinstitute.org (Georgia Bullen) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Commotion-discuss] Fwd: [gaia] Workshop on community networking infrastructures, Friday 17 9:30-17:00 CEST In-Reply-To: <946514A6-ED7E-411D-979D-02DA65C149EF@ac.upc.edu> References: <946514A6-ED7E-411D-979D-02DA65C149EF@ac.upc.edu> Message-ID: Might be of interest to people on this list! -Georgia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Leandro Navarro Date: Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:17 AM Subject: [gaia] Workshop on community networking infrastructures, Friday 17 9:30-17:00 CEST To: gaia Dear all, we are organising a "Workshop on community networking infrastructures" Tomorrow Friday 17 9:30-17:00 CEST Public administrations, citizenship and enterprises are the three key players for the construction and management of any commons infrastructure. This workshop will discuss how they can strengthen ties among these three actors to optimize a specific case of these infrastructures, community networks. We will analyse tools ranging from governance strategies to implementation at deployment and operation level, paying special attention to the optical fibre, a key technology for achieving the coverage and penetration targets of the European Digital Agenda. Based on the experience and the work done so far, the conference has two main objectives: expand knowledge about this type of collaboration and identify specific lines of action to make them more efficient in the future. With the ambition to achieve an overall analysis, these challenges are faced successively from the point of view of governance, regulation, and its implementation, dedicating to each block a total of one and half hour. To stimulate discussion and alleviate as many doubts as possible, each block consists of a panel of an hour and a half an hour open round of comments, followed by a pause. A round table will be a short presentation by each speaker and then a debate between the speakers. Program, details: http://netcommons.eu/?q=content/workshop-community-networking-infrastructures Live streaming: http://tv.guifi.net/ Organisation: UPC.edu, guifi.net, Pangea.org, netCommons.eu project Support: BarcelonaActiva, Barcelona City Council. You're welcome to join here or remotely !! Leandro. -- Leandro Navarro http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro http://dsg.ac.upc.edu _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia at irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia -- Georgia Bullen Director of Technology Projects Open Technology Institute @ New America 740 15th Street NW, Suite 900, Washington DC, 20005 @georgiamoon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: