[CUWiN] Re: [IMC-Video] [Fwd: Wi-Fi Experience]

Todd Boyle tboyle at rosehill.net
Sat Aug 26 14:31:48 CDT 2006

Seattle wireless streamed a video 3 miles in 2001, as
part of their 'field day' at Alki Point.

The transmitter was an omni that could have been seen
as easily from 50,000 people around downtown seattle
and Capitol Hill as from the destination in Magnolia,
if A) they had a 15db directional antenna and B) if it
was multicast.

Like I keep on saying--  we need a turnkey solution for
ordinary people, having two, directional rooftop antennas
with radios attached, and we need a computer in the
house that's capable of managing the routing, and
providing the output that gives the owner what they
want.  All the parts are out there, and they have been
out there for years but nobody has developed a turnkey
solution.  CUWIN is close but it doesn't support 2 radios.
None of the wireless clubs like SWN or Portland telco or BAWUG
was in the business of building P2P urban mesh.
They were totally about sharing Comcast or Verizon connections,

I totally sypathize with you coders and engineers and I'm
not complaining.   This is manyears of work, and it would
be a rather drastic hardship for you to move to the
countryside someplace and code for 5 years without pay.
So, it is perfectly natural in our market economy
system that whole entire areas of the public's best interest
are completely ignored and plowed under, by those
areas that are possible to enclose, privatize and monetize.
Google for the enclosure movements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deregulation   etc.  Now that's rich
with irony since it really means devolution of governance
to the private sector who impose even more total governance,

And that's what has happened to our information commons
since the 1930s--- it has been left to the "private sector"
and YOU guys have the P2P technology to stop it.

If you're willing to move into a shed someplace out
in the country and code for 5 years I will go there and
work alongside you.  At least, let's get the truth out there:
it is not going to be a couple week;'s work.


At 11:36 AM 8/26/2006, Sasha Costanza-Chock wrote:
>No, this is proof that using wifi to do this barely works, even if you
>have the complete support of the City (who gave them a directional
>antenna and access to a network in City Hall), and a tech person and
>server from a company that does nothing but streaming, and even THEN you
>are not at all mobile.
>I was asking more people and researching this week and I think I was too
>quick to dismiss the mobile phone options. It turns out that several
>providers (Verizon, Sprint, Helio, etc) now offer some kind of mobile
>broadband service in the LA area. There are two kinds that might work
>for us: 3g mobile phone connections or mobile broadband cards for laptops.
>Still researching these. One thing I noticed is that they all seem to
>have terms of service that explicitly say you're not allowed to stream
>media using them (!)
>Echograph wrote:
> > So this is proof that is can be done. Like we have been discussing?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, August 25, 2006, at 02:37  PM, Sasha Costanza-Chock wrote:
> >
> >>  From a recent project to do live streaming from downtown LA
> >> schock
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Wi-Fi Experience
> >> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:42:29 -0700
> >> From: Scott McGibbon <mcgibbon at usc.edu>
> >> Reply-To: <mcgibbon at usc.edu>
> >> Organization: The Norman Lear Center
> >> To: <schock at riseup.net>
> >> CC: <blakley at usc.edu>
> >>
> >> Hi Sasha:
> >> I coordinated, or rather struggled, with the wifi setup we used for our
> >> Grand Ave Park webcast. We used a directional antennae, graciously
> >> supplied
> >> as a favor, by the City at the last minute. The source antennae was
> >> pointing
> >> out of a window in City Hall. I tried, just for our own viewing
> >> purposes, to
> >> use a Verizon wifi card on a laptop, but the speed was completely
> >> unacceptable. So we ended up hooking into a hub connected to the
> >> directional
> >> antennae. Our webcaster, Take One Digital, used a pro-sized video cam,
> >> fed
> >> into a laptop that was hooked up to the hub. Camera was on a tripod, so
> >> there was not much movement. Speed was at least 300kbps, since that
> >> was the
> >> minimum for Take One. Don't know the exact speed. Don't know the
> >> streaming
> >> software, but ask Troy Witt, who owns Take One. No firewall issues at
> >> all.
> >> Satellite and microwave links were all long contract and tens of
> >> thousands
> >> of dollars. Don't have those names now, but got them via Google.  I
> >> did talk
> >> with a consulting firm about bringing permanent wifi to the park and the
> >> space around it and learned alot: picking up wifi at a library or
> >> Starbucks
> >> is a vastly different game than covering outside space with buildings
> >> (which
> >> can bounce the signal around, causing loss of connection), trees
> >> (leaves and
> >> trunks can greatly affect signal strength) and changing topography. I
> >> hope
> >> that wifi backpack is something that can work for you!  Here's Troy's
> >> info:
> >>
> >> Take One Productions, Inc.
> >> http://www.takeonedigital.com
> >> 
> <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=a8685wbab.0.ovcz7a44.ctymd6n6.319&ts=S0192&p=http%3 >>
> >> A%2F%2Fwww.takeonedigital.com>
> >> Troy at TakeOneDigital.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Scott McGibbon
> >> The Norman Lear Center
> >> 8383 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 650
> >> Beverly Hills, CA 90211
> >> t: 323-782-3318  f: 323-782-3320
> >> www.learcenter.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
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