[CWN-Summit] RE: CWN-Summit Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16

[Harold Feld]

I am very interested in the result and want to encourage the project, but don't 
see how I can be useful.

Harold

Quoting Ben Scott <bscott at freepress.net>:

> Mike's idea to develop a blueprint for mesh networking implementation on a
> large scale--including a realistic budget for equipment and maintenance--is
> excellent.
> 
> This is pretty much a blank canvas, since no one has ever deployed a network
> of the size and density proposed in Philly.  It's a great opportunity to
> demonstrate the knowledge base and experience present in the CWN world.
> 
> Is anyone game to form a moonlight working group on this project?
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:56:51 -0400
> From: Michael Oh <oh at techsuperpowers.com>
> Subject: [CWN-Summit] More about Philly
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> http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php?channel=7&id=91571
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/27/technology/27ecom.html
> 
> > We estimate that we could implement this system for $10 million. And 
> > an ongoing reoccurring costs of about $1 million-and-a-half a year. To 
> > do 800 megahertz in Philadelphia the cost would be a $50 million 
> > project. So, wireless is very affordable. And has such a broad impact 
> > on all of the lives of people in Philadelphia.
> 
> Do other people see this number as being a little, um... low?
> 
> Just for the technical infrastructure to run a 135 square mile network, 
> $1.5 million/year?  Supporting millions of subscribers?
> 
> I just don't quite see how it can be done, but I'm by no means an 
> expert in large scale wireless (who is?).  Is there any entity that 
> supports this kind of subscriber base, this geography, and a brand new 
> technology for anywhere close to that - and without a revenue stream?  
> I know that wireless is cheaper, but is it really going to be that much 
> cheaper to run it, just because it's cheaper to implement it?
> 
> My guess - Tropos and other wireless equipment companies are feeding 
> them these numbers.
> 
> I hope they succeed, just so the opponents and incumbents don't have a 
> massive failure to point to.  But I hope they're also being realistic 
> and aren't being taken for a ride.
> 
> Mike
> 
> P.S. Shout out to the Prometheus Radio folks!  Great Barnraising in 
> Portsmouth!
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:04:34 -0400
> From: Michael Oh <oh at techsuperpowers.com>
> Subject: [CWN-Summit] Idea re: Philly
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> I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or not with my opinions, but I will 
> propose the following:
> 
> If, in fact, logical analysis of the Philly project points to the 
> conclusion that numbers are optimistic and there are things being 
> overlooked, this is a key opportunity for us as the CWNs to create a 
> well-reasoned paper that brings any oversights to light.
> 
> It could be a way for us to show that our collective experiences and 
> voice may be worth more than a good marketing study by a wireless 
> equipment manufacturer any day of the week...
> 
> Mike
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Harold Feld
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