[Imc-newsroom] Please remove me from your website

[Brian Hagy]

another possibility max can do is to post a comment to Nadia's story
presenting the concern, and clarify any statements that Nadia has
paraphrased.  that's the whole idea of the open publishing format with
comments...so that when info is presented inaccurately, inappropriately,
or incompletely (amongst other in's) others can chime in to help complete
or provide alternatives to the picture already painted.  thus no one voice
is silenced, but all are given equal opportunity to disagree or articulate
their viewpoints.

brian hagy



On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Mike Lehman wrote:

> Max,
> I'm glad you were able to locate _Nadia_ Malik, but you will have to
> work this out with her and have her contact us for us to be able to
> alter her story. This is an area of the First Amendment that we can't
> budge from under the circumstances.
> Mike Lehman
>
> mfollmer wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > I appreciate your comments, and I thank you for bringing them up with your
> > steering committee. The author's name is actually Nadia Malik, and after
> > calling the DI, I know that she was an employee there. Her "quotes" are
> > actually paraphrases of a phone conversation, and not my actual letter to the
> > editor, which I can share with you if necessary. While you say they are not
> > libelous, she obtained them by misrepresenting herself. She claimed that they
> > would be printed in the DI, and that is the only forum which I gave my consent
> > to appear in. At the very least her behavior is unethical, as she was not
> > fully disclosing her intentions at the time of this interview.
> >
> > In any case, what she presents as direct quotations from myself are, in fact,
> > her reconstruction of the ideas which I expressed in our conversation. Only
> > one sentence (the one referring to South African and Israeli history as apples
> > and oranges) is a direct quotation. The others are fabrications.
> >
> > I understand that you may find my request silly or trivial, but I feel that I
> > have duped, and it causes me great distress to know that someone is
> > manipulating my name and reputation in a way to benefit their own agenda. I am
> > sorry that she is using your website- which the IMC clearly spends a lot of
> > time and energy maintaining in an effort to inform the C-U community- in such
> > a way.
> >
> > Thank you for your timly response to my concerns.
> >
> > Max
> >
> > >===== Original Message From Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net> =====
> > >Max,
> > >The Steering group discussed your concerns at our meeting today.
> > >Unfortunately, we will probably not be able to help you with your
> > >request to alter a story on our website.
> > >Nadine Malik is not listed in the student-staff directory at the UI or
> > >on the Daily Illini staff directory so we are unable to contact her.
> > >Perhaps you misunderstood her in your conversation, as she was working
> > >on (as you can plainly see from the article) a story on letters to the
> > >editor in the DI. Whatever the case, a writer may use their work in any
> > >fashion and in any venue, even if they are actually employed by a
> > >certain entity and identify as such, unless they are contracturally
> > >prohibited from doing so by that entity. I have no idea if that is the
> > >case with the DI or what her status with the DI might be.
> > >
> > >Since the qoutes from you do not appear to be speech that is illegal nor
> > >of a defamatory (and hence libelous in) nature we must stand by the
> > >First Amendment right of Nadine as a writer to use what material she has
> > >gathered in ways she sees fit. If you have contact information for her
> > >(since we don't), you are welcome to contact her and request that she
> > >herself ask us that the story be altered, but we cannot do so at your
> > >request. The article remains her intellectual property and we must stand
> > >by our website disclaimer on this, since all posters are solely
> > >responsible for the contents of their own posts.
> > >
> > >
> > >You are, of course, welcome to post a clarifying comment to the original
> > >article or to work out something with Nadine herself, as she is the only
> > >one who can request that an article which she posted be altered in any
> > >way.
> > >Mike Lehman
> > >
> > >Mike Lehman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Max,
> > >> We'll take up your request at the Steering group meeting this Sunday.
> > >> You are of course welcome to attend the meeting (which starts at noon)
> > >> so that you can present your side of the issue. I imagine that we will
> > >> contact Nadine to get her side of the story before we take any action,
> > >> however.
> > >>
> > >> A rereading of the comments makes it appear that she may have been
> > >> quoting either your letter or the DI itself. If that is the case,
> > >> perhaps some better attribution of the source may be in order. However,
> > >> I can't see us removing something that is publically available
> > >> information. Likewise, the material doesn't appear to be of a libelous
> > >> nature. In any case, we will attempt to ascertain if there is a basis to
> > >> remove this and take action accordingly. Generally, we are reluctant to
> > >> edit any story without the consent of the author unless it is a clear
> > >> violation of our website use policy or unless it falls into the very
> > >> limited area of speech that is illegal under US law.
> > >> Mike Lehman
> > >>
> > >> mfollmer wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > To the Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center News and tech
> > departments:
> > >> >
> > >> > It has come to my attention that my name, and comments made to a DI
> > reporter
> > >> > are contained on one of the pages on your website, as part of a series
> > >> > entitled "Hate Propaganda" part 3 of 4
> > >> > (http://print.ucimc.org/front.php3?article_id=213&group=webcast). The
> > young
> > >> > woman, Nadine Malik, who's name appears on the byline, called me in the
> > spring
> > >> > and identified herself as a reporter for the Daily Illini. While I
> > consented
> > >> > to have my name and comments printed in the DI, I never gave my consent
> > to
> > >> > appear on your website. She never identified herself as being affiliated
> > with
> > >> > your group, or made it known that she was working on a story for you. Had
> > she
> > >> > fully disclosed her intentions, I would not have given her permission to
> > use
> > >> > my name. Please remove my name and my comments from your website
> > immediately.
> > >> >
> > >> > Sincerely,
> > >> >
> > >> > Max Follmer
>
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