[UCIMC-Tech] problems reaching google.com from Bike Project
Mike Lehman
rebelmike at earthlink.net
Mon Jul 7 23:21:21 CDT 2008
During the Prairiegreens meeting this evening in the Family Room, a tech-savvy member reported he was unable to access google.com, although I didn't ask anything more about his trouble. I did note that he was using a Dell via wireless, on which I think he was running a Linux OS.
Mike Lehman
-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Isralewitz <barryi at ks.uiuc.edu>
>Sent: Jul 7, 2008 7:11 PM
>To: Stuart Levy <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>, imc-tech at lists.ucimc.org
>Subject: [UCIMC-Tech] problems reaching google.com from Bike Project
>
>Hello,
>
>
> Any word yet on a possible fix to the below? Recap: the Bike Project
>computer (running BSD) can get to any web site or service, except for those
>served from
> google.com.
>I suspect some strangeness in the building network.
>For the doubtful, feel free to to plug your laptop into a spare RJ-45 on the
>shop switch and check yourself.
>
> I was worried that a misset time-of-day on the Bike Project BSD mchine was
>part of the problem -- but I fixed this, and this odd problem still persists.
>(That is, since I sent below mail, time-of-day has been correct -- NTP had not been
>running at all on the BSD machine. I fixed this; now NTP gets time from UIUC's
>stratum 2 servers).
>
> Barry
>
>
>----- Forwarded message from Barry Isralewitz <barryi at ks.uiuc.edu> -----
>
>Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:19:49 -0500
>From: Barry Isralewitz <barryi at ks.uiuc.edu>
>To: Stuart Levy <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>Cc: imc-tech at lists.ucimc.org
>Subject: Re: [UCIMC-Tech] Re: Gmail problems
>In-Reply-To: <20080506193748.GA21418 at osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>
>Hi Stuart,
>
>
> Interspersed with quoting your email, some results below of running netstat and traceroute and more on the Bike Project computer.
>
>On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 02:37:48PM -0500, Stuart Levy wrote:
>> On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 02:10:48PM -0500, Barry Isralewitz wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 01:41:37PM -0500, Bob Illyes wrote:
>> > > Joy uses gmail without problem, but gmail doesn't work from the Print Mac,
>> > > which has an old OS and browser for arcane reasons. Gmail seems to be picky
>> > > about browsers, and the issue in the Bike Projet may be an old browser
>> > > rather than the UCIMC web service. Print doesn't have any problem with
>> > > Google itself, though, last time I checked.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info.
>> >
>> > To clarify problem I see in Bike Project computer: the trouble seems to be
>> > with establishing any communication at all with with google.com and/or
>> > gmail.com; so this seems more of a routing/adressing issue than a browser-
>> > compaitiblity issue. (To be positive, I'll try pings from/to different places
>> > when I'm next in the shop.) The Firefox browser version on Bike Project's BSD
>> > computer is modern enough; it renders gmail and google pages quickly and
>> > accurately during some periods (i.e. when communication apparently going
>> > well.) Also, the http://google.com default page is very simple, about any
>> > browser around can render it at least somewhat well.
>> >
>> > Hmm... I'm recalling now I had the same problem last week -- periods when
>> > could not contact google.com but could contact all other distant websites -- on
>> > my laptop when connected to OpenIMC in the room 24. (Have latest, stable
>> > browser versions on my laptop.)
>> >
>> > Demonstrate problem with Firefox:
>> > a) enter 'google.com' into address bar, get animated 'busy' icon
>> > b) while a) continues, open a new tab. enter yahoo.com. page is quickly displayed.
>> > c) close tab from a) (it is still 'busy'.
>> > d) open new tab. try google.com again. Another 'busy' icon
>> > e) enter "newyorktimes.com". Page is quickly displayed. The google pages continue to display 'busy' icons. In some cases, the google pges will appear a few minutes later, sometimes not.
>>
>> It'd be interesting to open a terminal window (xterm or whatever)
>> while this is going on, and type
>>
>> netstat -tf inet
>>
>> and note the output.
>
>
> Here I have one Firefox tab Firefox open, with a google attempt a couple of minutes, and another tab with a google contact in the process of failing.
>
>bash2-2.05b$ netstat -tf inet
>Active Internet connections
>Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state)
>tcp4 0 392 192.168.42.106.53676 od-in-f83.google.http ESTABLISHED
>tcp4 0 0 192.168.42.106.61635 209.62.185.9.http ESTABLISHED
>tcp4 0 0 192.168.42.106.59502 204.2.228.81.http ESTABLISHED
>tcp4 0 0 192.168.42.106.56346 128.242.191.49.http ESTABLISHED
>tcp4 0 0 192.168.42.106.49924 winnipeg.ks.uiuc.ssh ESTABLISHED
>tcp4 0 0 192.168.42.106.49986 winnipeg.ks.uiuc.ssh ESTABLISHED
>
>
>
> Pretty much sites but google.com, gmail.com, and other Google sites go through. Some non-google sites have Google-dependent parts, these load partially, then freeze up displaying messages about loading these -- say www.google-analytics.com or googlesyndication.com addresses.
>
> There'll be a line for every active TCP connection.
>> Do you see a line like
>>
>>
>> tcp4 0 224 192.168.11.11.55390 <something>.google.com.http SYN_SENT
>>
>> ? The "SYN_SENT" would be the important thing -- it'd mean that
>> packets were being sent to google but no acknowledgement was reaching you.
>> This would be a way of showing that it's a network-level problem,
>> not e.g. a name resolution problem.
>>
>> It would also be interesting to "traceroute" to google.com at a troublesome time,
>> and see how far it gets.
>
> Here are some traceroutes and pings I ran last week on the Bike Project computer with a few notes interspersed. Note that the traceroutes to google are clearly diffrent different from traceroutes to uiuc.edu and yahoo.com.
>====
>2008-Jun-19 09:21:46 AM (CDT)
>--
>whasmyip.org says we are 75.145.177.73
>Note: clock is misset....
>bash2-2.05b$ date -u
>Thu Jun 19 21:22:45 UTC 2008
> note:At 10:24 AM June 19 chicago time
>--
>bash2-2.05b$ uname -a
>FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 10 23:42:31 CST 2006 kaduk@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PROLIX i386
>
>---
>--
>
>bash2-2.05b$ date;traceroute www.uiuc.edu;date
>Thu Jun 19 15:19:21 CDT 2008
>traceroute to swan29.admin.uiuc.edu (128.174.254.29), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
> 1 192.168.42.1 (192.168.42.1) 1.888 ms 0.901 ms 0.829 ms
> 2 * * *
> 3 ge-1-2-ur01.champaign.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.85.178.65) 9.347 ms 9.595 ms 12.543 ms
> 4 pos-0-11-0-0-ar01.indianapolis.in.indiana.comcast.net (68.86.90.170) 21.972 ms 16.036 ms 15.775 ms
> 5 pos-0-1-0-0-cr01.nashville.tn.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.90.169) 25.179 ms 31.886 ms 27.784 ms
> 6 pos-0-12-0-0-cr01.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.21) 40.192 ms 40.884 ms 47.968 ms
> 7 68.86.85.137 (68.86.85.137) 76.245 ms 77.168 ms 76.228 ms
> 8 te-1-1-pr01.600wseventh.ca.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.84.130) 76.682 ms 74.434 ms 76.721 ms
> 9 68.86.89.158 (68.86.89.158) 234.557 ms 184.015 ms 230.299 ms
>10 vl3492.mpd01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.9) 98.143 ms
> vl3493.mpd01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.229) 74.178 ms
> vl3492.mpd01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.9) 73.726 ms
>11 te3-1.mpd01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.181) 84.512 ms 89.169 ms 111.431 ms
>12 te3-3.mpd01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.133) 88.699 ms 87.053 ms 85.278 ms
>13 te4-1.mpd01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.33) 120.869 ms 172.868 ms 122.139 ms
>14 *
> te4-3.mpd01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.186) 288.273 ms *
>15 vl3605.na31.b002329-4.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.36.178) 118.772 ms 119.233 ms 124.766 ms
>16 university-of-illinios-urbana.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.99.42) 79.229 ms 77.604 ms 80.115 ms
>17 t-ur2rtr.ix.ui-iccn.org (72.36.126.101) 82.734 ms 84.086 ms 82.708 ms
>18 iccn-ur2rtr-uiuc2.gw.uiuc.edu (72.36.127.6) 80.092 ms 80.648 ms 83.994 ms
>19 t-exiteb.gw.uiuc.edu (130.126.0.73) 91.742 ms 82.852 ms 80.989 ms
>20 * * *
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>Thu Jun 19 15:28:17 CDT 2008
>time = 9:30 am
>
>
>=======================
>
>
>
>sh2-2.05b$ date;traceroute yahoo.com;date
>Thu Jun 19 15:29:23 CDT 2008
>traceroute: Warning: yahoo.com has multiple addresses; using 68.180.206.184
>traceroute to yahoo.com (68.180.206.184), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
> 1 192.168.42.1 (192.168.42.1) 1.139 ms 0.918 ms 0.816 ms
> 2 * * *
> 3 ge-1-2-ur01.champaign.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.85.178.65) 8.969 ms 9.102 ms 9.296 ms
> 4 pos-0-11-0-0-ar01.indianapolis.in.indiana.comcast.net (68.86.90.170) 21.770 ms 18.800 ms 17.057 ms
> 5 pos-0-1-0-0-cr01.nashville.tn.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.90.169) 25.159 ms 26.459 ms 25.407 ms
> 6 pos-0-5-0-0-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.66) 32.740 ms 40.511 ms 33.817 ms
> 7 *
> te-4-4.car1.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.71.252.13) 42.774 ms 41.573 ms
> 8 ae-71-52.ebr1.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.68.103.60) 43.645 ms 43.071 ms 35.926 ms
> 9 ae-73-70.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.138.20) 38.925 ms 46.805 ms 54.537 ms
>10 ae-7.ebr3.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.134.21) 47.758 ms 50.175 ms 53.953 ms
>11 ae-3.ebr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.69.132.77) 90.452 ms 78.928 ms 84.395 ms
>12 ae-72-72.csw2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.69.137.22) 87.406 ms * 88.364 ms
>13 ae-63-63.ebr3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.69.137.33) 78.810 ms 86.329 ms 91.813 ms
>14 ae-2.ebr3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.9) 84.292 ms 88.344 ms 90.424 ms
>15 ae-73-73.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.230) 84.842 ms
> ae-93-93.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.238) 88.823 ms
> ae-83-83.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.234) 83.674 ms
>16 ae-23-79.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.69) 86.193 ms
> ae-43-99.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.197) 98.863 ms
> ae-23-79.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.69) 214.310 ms
>17 4.71.112.14 (4.71.112.14) 90.279 ms 90.228 ms 89.510 ms
>18 ae1-p161.msr1.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.63) 90.759 ms
> ae1-p171.msr2.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.87) 90.610 ms
> ae0-p171.msr2.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.83) 88.891 ms
>19 te-8-1.bas-a2.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.19) 90.982 ms
> te-9-1.bas-a1.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.21) 90.635 ms
> te-8-1.bas-a1.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.17) 90.110 ms
>20 * * *
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>Thu Jun 19 15:41:08 CDT 2008
>
>
>=======
>
>
>
>
>ash2-2.05b$ date;traceroute google.com;date
>Thu Jun 19 16:36:09 CDT 2008
>traceroute: Warning: google.com has multiple addresses; using 64.233.167.99
>traceroute to google.com (64.233.167.99), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
> 1 192.168.42.1 (192.168.42.1) 3.941 ms 6.835 ms 3.111 ms
> 2 * * *
> 3 ge-1-2-ur01.champaign.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.85.178.65) 8.422 ms 7.143 ms 9.784 ms
> 4 pos-0-11-0-0-ar01.indianapolis.in.indiana.comcast.net (68.86.90.170) 20.564 ms 17.295 ms 16.990 ms
> 5 pos-0-1-0-0-cr01.nashville.tn.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.90.169) 27.575 ms 26.328 ms 31.989 ms
> 6 pos-0-5-0-0-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.66) 32.472 ms 34.752 ms 33.793 ms
> 7 te-4-3.car1.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.71.252.25) 37.362 ms 33.989 ms 34.209 ms
> 8 ae-63-51.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.68.103.30) 32.028 ms 33.186 ms 34.873 ms
> 9 ae-72-70.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.138.19) 39.361 ms
> ae-62-60.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.138.3) 35.932 ms
> ae-72-70.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.138.19) 47.590 ms
>10 ae-3.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.69.132.73) 37.396 ms 49.094 ms 36.569 ms
>11 ae-21-56.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.162) 38.945 ms
> ae-21-52.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.34) 40.676 ms 38.025 ms
>12 *
> GOOGLE-INC.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.79.208.18) 45.265 ms 45.227 ms
>13 72.14.232.53 (72.14.232.53) 38.219 ms
> 66.249.94.133 (66.249.94.133) 38.033 ms 40.504 ms
>14 72.14.232.74 (72.14.232.74) 45.250 ms
> 64.233.175.42 (64.233.175.42) 39.700 ms
> 72.14.232.74 (72.14.232.74) 44.323 ms
>15 py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99) 42.799 ms 40.262 ms 40.371 ms
>Thu Jun 19 16:36:31 CDT 2008
>
>
>
>-----
>
>Second try to Google
>
>
>bash2-2.05b$ date;traceroute google.com;date
>Thu Jun 19 16:36:09 CDT 2008
>traceroute: Warning: google.com has multiple addresses; using 64.233.167.99
>traceroute to google.com (64.233.167.99), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
> 1 192.168.42.1 (192.168.42.1) 3.941 ms 6.835 ms 3.111 ms
> 2 * * *
> 3 ge-1-2-ur01.champaign.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.85.178.65) 8.422 ms 7.143 ms 9.784 ms
> 4 pos-0-11-0-0-ar01.indianapolis.in.indiana.comcast.net (68.86.90.170) 20.564 ms 17.295 ms 16.990 ms
> 5 pos-0-1-0-0-cr01.nashville.tn.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.90.169) 27.575 ms 26.328 ms 31.989 ms
> 6 pos-0-5-0-0-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.66) 32.472 ms 34.752 ms 33.793 ms
> 7 te-4-3.car1.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.71.252.25) 37.362 ms 33.989 ms 34.209 ms
> 8 ae-63-51.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.68.103.30) 32.028 ms 33.186 ms 34.873 ms
> 9 ae-72-70.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.138.19) 39.361 ms
> ae-62-60.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.138.3) 35.932 ms
> ae-72-70.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.138.19) 47.590 ms
>10 ae-3.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.69.132.73) 37.396 ms 49.094 ms 36.569 ms
>11 ae-21-56.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.162) 38.945 ms
> ae-21-52.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.68.101.34) 40.676 ms 38.025 ms
>12 *
> GOOGLE-INC.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.79.208.18) 45.265 ms 45.227 ms
>13 72.14.232.53 (72.14.232.53) 38.219 ms
> 66.249.94.133 (66.249.94.133) 38.033 ms 40.504 ms
>14 72.14.232.74 (72.14.232.74) 45.250 ms
> 64.233.175.42 (64.233.175.42) 39.700 ms
> 72.14.232.74 (72.14.232.74) 44.323 ms
>15 py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99) 42.799 ms 40.262 ms 40.371 ms
>Thu Jun 19 16:36:31 CDT 2008
>
>------
>Pings
>(stopped UIUC ones quickly, am in hurry)
>
>
>bash2-2.05b$ uname
>FreeBSD
>bash2-2.05b$ ping google.com
>PING google.com (72.14.207.99): 56 data bytes
>64 bytes from 72.14.207.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=242 time=55.199 ms
>64 bytes from 72.14.207.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=56.382 ms
>^C
>--- google.com ping statistics ---
>2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
>round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 55.199/55.790/56.382/0.592 ms
>bash2-2.05b$ ping yahoo.com
>PING yahoo.com (68.180.206.184): 56 data bytes
>64 bytes from 68.180.206.184: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=89.973 ms
>64 bytes from 68.180.206.184: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=104.619 ms
>64 bytes from 68.180.206.184: icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=89.305 ms
>64 bytes from 68.180.206.184: icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=90.078 ms
>^C
>--- yahoo.com ping statistics ---
>4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
>round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 89.305/93.494/104.619/6.430 ms
>bash2-2.05b$ ping uiuc.edu
>PING uiuc.edu (128.174.254.29): 56 data bytes
>^C
>--- uiuc.edu ping statistics ---
>4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
>bash2-2.05b$ ping www.uiuc.edu
>PING swan29.admin.uiuc.edu (128.174.254.29): 56 data bytes
>^C
>--- swan29.admin.uiuc.edu ping statistics ---
>7 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
>bash2-2.05b$ ping login.ks.uiuc.edu
>PING winnipeg.ks.uiuc.edu (130.126.120.41): 56 data bytes
>^C
>--- winnipeg.ks.uiuc.edu ping statistics ---
>13 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
>bash2-2.05b$ ping www.beckman.uiuc.edu
>PING bi-www1.beckman.uiuc.edu (130.126.116.250): 56 data bytes
>^C
>--- bi-www1.beckman.uiuc.edu ping statistics ---
>6 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
>bash2-2.05b$ date
>Thu Jun 19 16:39:33 CDT 2008
>bash2-2.05b$
>
>
>
>---
>
>
>
> Thanks for any insight you can provide.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Barry
>
>
>> Here's what I get from zeco to google.com now (2:40pm Tue):
>>
>>
>> [slevy at zeco ~]$ traceroute www.google.com
>> traceroute: Warning: www.google.com has multiple addresses; using 64.233.169.99
>> traceroute to www.l.google.com (64.233.169.99), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
>> 1 192.168.11.1 (192.168.11.1) 0.366 ms 0.519 ms 0.463 ms
>> 2 * * *
>> 3 ge-1-2-ur01.champaign.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.85.178.65) 13.067 ms 14.257 ms 18.691 ms
>> 4 pos-0-10-0-0-ar01.indianapolis.in.indiana.comcast.net (68.86.90.174) 15.016 ms 20.180 ms 21.873 ms
>> 5 pos-0-0-0-0-cr01.nashville.tn.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.90.173) 28.347 ms 25.456 ms 32.600 ms
>> 6 pos-0-5-0-0-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.66) 32.474 ms 39.619 ms 31.696 ms
>> 7 te-9-1.car1.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.71.252.29) 38.348 ms 233.805 ms 202.324 ms
>> 8 ae-21-52.car1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (4.68.103.34) 32.476 ms 34.408 ms 34.820 ms
>> 9 GOOGLE-INC.car1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (4.78.209.194) 35.161 ms 39.392 ms 42.619 ms
>> 10 209.85.254.188 (209.85.254.188) 59.483 ms 45.657 ms 65.054 ms
>> 11 72.14.238.137 (72.14.238.137) 51.222 ms
>> 72.14.238.139 (72.14.238.139) 54.197 ms
>> 72.14.238.137 (72.14.238.137) 52.119 ms
>> 12 64.233.175.169 (64.233.175.169) 59.934 ms
>> 64.233.175.109 (64.233.175.109) 46.281 ms
>> 64.233.175.111 (64.233.175.111) 47.436 ms
>> 13 216.239.49.149 (216.239.49.149) 50.079 ms
>> 216.239.49.145 (216.239.49.145) 51.710 ms 50.709 ms
>> 14 yo-in-f99.google.com (64.233.169.99) 48.751 ms 52.487 ms 52.077 ms
>>
>>
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Barry
>> >
>> > --
>> > Barry Isralewitz Theoretical and Computational Biophysics Group, UIUC
>> > Beckman 3043 Office Phone: (217) 244-1612 Home Phone: (217) 337-6364
>> > email: barryi at ks.uiuc.edu http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~barryi
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