[Imc-bookkeeper] can now do custom auto-response to Paypal
payments! got IPN working for UCIMC, Bike Project,
etc. [was: [UCIMC-Tech] Re: IMC membership - paypal follow-up]
Jay Schubert
jay.schubert at gmail.com
Wed Jul 16 20:36:42 CDT 2008
Nicole,
My understanding is that something is needed generally for the whole IMC.
Thanks,
Jay
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Nicole Pion <nicole.pion at gmail.com> wrote:
> HI everyone,
> As Jay mentioned, I'm happy to do this. This afternoon, I am going to
> introduce myself at the Bike Project open hours, so if there is someone
> there who has a moment to chat with me about what you are looking for that
> would be great. That said, I can also coordinate with the group over email,
> since it seems pretty straightforward. Will this be specific to the Bike
> Project or more generally introduce members to the IMC?
> I should be able to get something out to you all by tomorrow.
> Nicole
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Jay Schubert <jay.schubert at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I spoke with Nicole Pion, our new Americorps volunteer (now cc'd on this
>> chain) who will be working on ourtreach for the IMC about taking on this
>> task.
>>
>> Nicole said that writing the copy for these messages is something that she
>> would like to do. I will be available to help her out if needed, but she
>> will be taking the lead on writing these messages. I'm guessing it would be
>> nice to have a chance to offer feedback before we agree on a final copy and
>> begin using them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/08, Barry Isralewitz <barryi at ks.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jay,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 07:21:35AM -0600, Jay Schubert wrote:
>>> > Barry,
>>> >
>>> > Nice work. I will put together some copy for a welcome email and get
>>> some
>>> > feedback on it shortly.
>>>
>>>
>>> You might also make a "goodbye" letter for cancellations, including
>>> fields and text
>>> like
>>>
>>> "Dear $memberFirstName $memberLastName
>>> Your membership subscription (Paypal #$subscription_number) has been
>>> cancelled.
>>> You remain a member of [group], Your membership rights will last
>>> until $expiration_date".
>>> If you wish to re-join in the future, see [some web page].
>>> Please contact jay.schubert at gmail.com if you have any questions.
>>> Farewell until we meet again.
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> Danielle Chynoweth <chyn at ojctech.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > By setting up CiviCRM to work off of our Drupal site, CiviCRM can send
>>> auto
>>> > thank yous. We need to do this anyway to collect better info on
>>> everyone
>>> > who signs up as a member, donates, or asks that we stay on touch with
>>> them
>>> > about X, Y, and Z group. Now we just have to sweet talk Dan or
>>> someone
>>> > from tech to plug it in :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Drupal + CiviCRM sounds great (and maybe a goal for Bike Project, too),
>>> but
>>> they won't be able to respond to events only Paypal knows about thus must
>>> tell
>>> us about: subscription cancellations (tested with IPN), expirations,
>>> and payment
>>> failures. IPN seems to be working with this now. The email notices would
>>> do
>>> this as well, but no telling when Paypal will fix.
>>>
>>> Note that "Instant" Notifications may actually take some hours for
>>> Paypal to
>>> actually generate event, but plenty fast for most uses. Most (not all)
>>> payment
>>> events really are instant, with event generated in seconds.
>>>
>>> Below are some of the fields in a subscription signup notice my script
>>> generates..
>>>
>>>
>>> Note on Item Numbers: I've been using a convention for identifying IMC
>>> group in a Paypal items
>>> "Item number" since the Bike Project started with PP: indicate your group
>>> with
>>> a unique 4-digit number as the first 4 digits of all the items you offer
>>> via
>>> Paypal. The item number is always the same for a given item (e.g. not a
>>> transaction number). Bike Project has "2000", others should 'register'
>>> unqiue
>>> numbers between 1000 and 9999 with mail to the Fianance group. Only takes
>>> a
>>> minute or two to add this to all your current buttons. Note that
>>> "business"
>>> field should serve this purpose, but Paypal regularly gets this field
>>> wrong, as
>>> seen below (Business on the orignating button was "
>>> thebikeproject at gmail.com",
>>> paypal misreports this, substituting the main account address)
>>>
>>> ======================================================================
>>> ======================================================================
>>> Item_name = The Bike Project - Annual Membership Subscription
>>> ($00.07/yr., test rate);
>>> Item_number = 2000-0023-test2;
>>> Address_name = Barry Isralewitz;
>>> Address_street = 305 W. Park Street, Apt. 1;
>>> Address_city= Urbana; Address_state = IL; Address_zip = 61801;
>>> Contact_phone = ;
>>> Custom = ;
>>>
>>> Business = imc-paypal at ucimc.org;
>>> Tax = ;
>>> Memo = ;
>>> Payment_date = ;
>>> Txn_id = ;
>>> Parent_txn_id = ;
>>>
>>> Subscription-only Info
>>> ========================
>>> Txn_type = subscr_signup;
>>> Subscr_date = 11:28:35 Jul 03, 2008 PDT;
>>> Subscr_effective = ;
>>> Period3 = 1 Y;
>>> Amount3 = 0.07;
>>> Mc_amount3 = 0.07;
>>> Mc_currency =USD;
>>> Recurring = 1;
>>> Reattempt = 1;
>>> Retry_at = ;
>>> Recur_times = ;
>>> Username = pp-abbeyboo;
>>> Password = lkdC2O1fTBs9E;
>>> Subscr_id = S-3AU45654HW473631R;
>>> ========================
>>> First_name = Barry; Last_name = Isralewitz;
>>> Payer_email = isralewi at uiuc.edu; Payment_amount = USD; Country = United
>>> States (US)
>>>
>>> ======================================================================
>>> ======================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Barry
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Jay
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Danielle Chynoweth <chyn at ojctech.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > If there is no downside to turning IPN on except some email
>>> notifications,
>>> > > then go ahead and turn it on. No need for a decision about such a
>>> small
>>> > > item. Can you have finance at ucimc.org be notified any time a person
>>> gets a
>>> > > thank you from us? That's how I have it set up with other Paypal
>>> accounts I
>>> > > admin. thanks Barry! - Danielle
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Barry Isralewitz <
>>> barryi at ks.uiuc.edu>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 01:22:43PM -0500, Barry Isralewitz wrote:
>>> > >> > ----- Forwarded message from Barry Isralewitz <barryi at ks.uiuc.edu
>>> >
>>> > >> -----
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Hello,
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jay Schubert <
>>> > >> jay.schubert at gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Does anyone know if paypal allows us to customize our
>>> response? Is
>>> > >> there
>>> > >> > > > any simple way that new memberships and renewals via paypal
>>> can
>>> > >> trigger an
>>> > >> > > > automated email?
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > There is supposed to be one but it is broken; Paypal says they
>>> are
>>> > >> fixing it.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > There are other approaches:
>>> > >> > Easiest would be implement Instant Payment Notification.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Got annoyed tonight over waiting for paypal to fix things, so I
>>> just
>>> > >> implemented Instant Payment Notification on the ucimc.org Paypal
>>> account
>>> > >> site.
>>> > >> Works great with both ucimc.org and thebikeproject.orgdonations. We can
>>> > >> send
>>> > >> those custom emails as Jay wants, and dole them to different groups
>>> if we
>>> > >> want.
>>> > >> This was done via a PHP script (ipntest.php). Does anti-spoof
>>> > >> verification by
>>> > >> posting details back to Paypal. Then other stuff. Email me if you
>>> would
>>> > >> like a
>>> > >> copy of ipntest.php.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> After a payment, Paypal contacts the script on our server, with all
>>> > >> the info from the transaction, and the script does the verification,
>>> then
>>> > >> whatever we want it to.
>>> > >> So far, all I had it do was mail my personal account with full
>>> transaction
>>> > >> info.
>>> > >> We could similar per-IMC-group, then have each group process the
>>> email
>>> > >> they get.
>>> > >> Or, just add lines to the PHP script to send "Thank You"/Orientation
>>> mails
>>> > >> direct to subscribers.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I just turned IPN back off, since I did this test without
>>> consulting
>>> > >> Finance
>>> > >> people. Looks like not really affect performance of the site, or ,
>>> even
>>> > >> when
>>> > >> badly broken, interfere with a donation (this is Instant Payment
>>> > >> _Notification_, it acts after the transaction has ended). I think
>>> > >> ucimc.org
>>> > >> site donations would still work even if thebikeproject.org tanked
>>> > >> although
>>> > >> ucimc.org kept going. But could make semi-personal data (but no
>>> credit
>>> > >> card
>>> > >> numbers or similar) a little bit less safe since being sent as
>>> stored as
>>> > >> unencrypted email. At least worth discussion.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I think this won't tell us about non-monetary events, such as
>>> > >> subscription
>>> > >> cancellations. Can use other means. or wait for Email Notices to
>>> get
>>> > >> fixed...
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I'll talk to Finance group about turning IPN back on for testing
>>> out
>>> > >> automatic "Welcome to The Bike Project!" messages.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Cheers,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Barry
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Or gather data on own website, use
>>> > >> > Paypal SOAP API directly. I've been avoiding such server
>>> interactions,
>>> > >> both
>>> > >> > requires additional reliable features on chamabana.net servers,
>>> would
>>> > >> be much
>>> > >> > harder to find someone to maintain/alter/repair this after I
>>> leave, and
>>> > >> might
>>> > >> > be harder for other IMC groups to use than email-based solution.
>>> > >> > -- periodically download transactions spreadsheet, and do
>>> automated
>>> > >> search for relevant activities.
>>> > >> > -- stop using Paypal, do web donations through a more
>>> competent
>>> > >> company.
>>> > >> > (Even if higher price/percentage, worth it in overral receipts to
>>> get
>>> > >> extra
>>> > >> > contacts -> improve donor relations -> increase donations).
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Details on Paypal Subscription Email Notices
>>> > >> > ---
>>> > >> > Here's the currently-relevant text from Paypal's latest
>>> documentation.
>>> > >> If
>>> > >> > you are familiar with Paypal documentation, note that the
>>> _Recurring
>>> > >> Payments
>>> > >> > Guide_ has recently been obseleted, the info. it contained is now
>>> found
>>> > >> in the
>>> > >> > _Website Payments Standard Integration Guide_.
>>> > >> > Below is the relevant passage on Subscription Email Notices.
>>> > >> > ========
>>> > >> > From the Paypal _Website Payments Standard Integration Guide_
>>> > >> > "June 2008" edition
>>> > >> > Page 72
>>> > >> > ====
>>> > >> > Using Email Notices to Track Subscription Transactions
>>> > >> > PayPal sends you email notices when:
>>> > >> > * People sign up for new subscriptions.
>>> > >> > * Subscription payments are made.
>>> > >> > * Subscriptions end or are canceled.
>>> > >> > Generally, PayPal sends email notices to the primary email address
>>> of
>>> > >> your
>>> > >> > account. PayPal can send email notices to an alternate email
>>> address,
>>> > >> such as
>>> > >> > to someone in your organization who handles accounting or manages
>>> access
>>> > >> to
>>> > >> > members-only content. Add the additional email address to your
>>> account
>>> > >> profile.
>>> > >> > Then, use that email address as the value for the business
>>> > >> > ========
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I've had Bike Project subscriptions set to generate Email Notices
>>> to
>>> > >> > thebikeproject at gmail.org from the very start, but it has never
>>> worked.
>>> > >> An
>>> > >> > internal Paypal user field "User Receives Subscription Payment
>>> > >> Notification
>>> > >> > Emails" must be set "True", but the user web GUI does not offer
>>> this
>>> > >> option,
>>> > >> > and top level Paypal tech support workers have been repeatedly
>>> shocked
>>> > >> to find
>>> > >> > that _they_, working on Paypal internal settings, cannot manually
>>> set
>>> > >> the
>>> > >> > field.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Amazingly, there has been no bug report number or similar tracking
>>> > >> information
>>> > >> > available for this known bug. The best they can do, they told me,
>>> is
>>> > >> promise to
>>> > >> > contact me about this when the issue is solved. I cannot call
>>> Paypal
>>> > >> and say
>>> > >> > "It has been 6 months since bug XXXXXXX has been filed, what is
>>> the
>>> > >> progress?"
>>> > >> > More information on this issue available from me for those
>>> interested.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Cheers,
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Barry
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 01:30:59PM -0500, Danielle Chynoweth
>>> wrote:
>>> > >> > > Hi Jay,
>>> > >> > > We have, Nicole Pion, a full time support person coming on to
>>> analyze
>>> > >> and
>>> > >> > > improve our membership, thanking, and outreach systems. She
>>> will be
>>> > >> meeting
>>> > >> > > with each working group to hear about needs in this
>>> regard. When you
>>> > >> meet
>>> > >> > > with her, give her details about what kind of thanking,
>>> membership
>>> > >> alters,
>>> > >> > > etc you want to see.
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > As for what is possible, Paypal should be sending a confirmation
>>> of
>>> > >> payment
>>> > >> > > for membership already. I would like to see us track ALL of our
>>> > >> contacts
>>> > >> > > with CiviCRM connected to both Drupal and Paypal. CiviCRM is a
>>> open
>>> > >> source
>>> > >> > > Constituent Relationship Manager (made famous by Howard Dean)
>>> and can
>>> > >> manage
>>> > >> > > memberships and send reminders. We have in house knowledge
>>> about
>>> > >> installing
>>> > >> > > and maintaining it.
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > - Danielle
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jay Schubert <
>>> > >> jay.schubert at gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > wrote:
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > > It has recently come to my attention that when people become
>>> members
>>> > >> of the
>>> > >> > > > IMC via the membership page on the IMC site, other than the
>>> generic
>>> > >> paypal
>>> > >> > > > receipt, they are not receiving any follow up acknowledgment.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Does anyone know if paypal allows us to customize our
>>> response? Is
>>> > >> there
>>> > >> > > > any simple way that new memberships and renewals via paypal
>>> can
>>> > >> trigger an
>>> > >> > > > automated email?
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > It seems like we're really missing an opportunity to greet new
>>> > >> members,
>>> > >> > > > extend an invitation to get involved with our projects and
>>> plant the
>>> > >> seed
>>> > >> > > > that we hope they will renew their membership annually (which
>>> as far
>>> > >> as I
>>> > >> > > > can tell is up to each member to keep track of currently). As
>>> you
>>> > >> can see
>>> > >> > > > below, a new member from books to prisoners was distraught
>>> after her
>>> > >> > > > experience of joining the IMC using paypal.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > While the business of sending reminders for membership
>>> renewals is a
>>> > >> > > > different can of worms, it seems like a simple follow up
>>> message for
>>> > >> new &
>>> > >> > > > renewing members would be a relatively simple matter. If
>>> anyone
>>> > >> knows how
>>> > >> > > > to set this up, I would be happy to write / propose some copy
>>> for
>>> > >> such a
>>> > >> > > > message.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Thanks,
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Jay Schubert
>>> > >> > > > (217) 721-7419
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > >> > > > From: ann h. <annhett at yahoo.com>
>>> > >> > > > Date: Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM
>>> > >> > > > Subject: Re: Fwd: [Btp-jail-libraries] Fwd: Friday afternoon
>>> at the
>>> > >> Main
>>> > >> > > > Jail
>>> > >> > > > To: Jay Schubert <jay.schubert at gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > i became a member in may but never received any sort of
>>> > >> confirmation,other
>>> > >> > > > than from paypal. Should I have received something?
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > thanks,
>>> > >> > > > ann
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > --- On *Sun, 6/29/08, Jay Schubert <jay.schubert at gmail.com>*
>>> wrote:
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > From: Jay Schubert <jay.schubert at gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > > Subject: Fwd: [Btp-jail-libraries] Fwd: Friday afternoon at
>>> the Main
>>> > >> Jail
>>> > >> > > > To: "BTP Libraries" <btp-jail-libraries at lists.chambana.net>
>>> > >> > > > Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 11:18 AM
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > re: IMC keys.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > I agree that it would be nice if more of our volunteers had
>>> access
>>> > >> to the
>>> > >> > > > IMC building and would like to take this opportunity to appeal
>>> to
>>> > >> jail
>>> > >> > > > librarians who do not have keys to the building to consider
>>> becoming
>>> > >> a
>>> > >> > > > member of the Independent Media Center.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > If you have been volunteering with books to prisoners for a
>>> while
>>> > >> now and
>>> > >> > > > enjoy doing it, please consider becoming a member and
>>> supporting the
>>> > >> parent
>>> > >> > > > organization that makes it possible for books to prisoners to
>>> > >> operate the
>>> > >> > > > way we do. The IMC relies on membership dues to help pay for
>>> the
>>> > >> mortgage
>>> > >> > > > on our building, utilities and other costs not covered by the
>>> rent
>>> > >> we
>>> > >> > > > collect.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Membership costs as little as $25 a year. Once you are a
>>> member you
>>> > >> are
>>> > >> > > > entitled to a building key in exchange for a nominal deposit.
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > - Books to Prisoners needs more volunteers with keys to the
>>> building
>>> > >> > > > - The IMC would not exist without the financial support of its
>>> > >> members
>>> > >> > > > - Have you ever thought that it would be convenient to have a
>>> key /
>>> > >> 24 hour
>>> > >> > > > access to the building?
>>> > >> > > > - Have you been volunteering with BTP and like what you see?
>>> > >> > > > *
>>> > >> > > > Please consider joining the IMC*
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Here is a link to more information about becoming a member:
>>> > >> > > > http://www.ucimc.org/info/membership
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Thanks,
>>> > >> > > > Jay
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Barbara kessel <
>>> barkes at gmail.com>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > >> > > >> From: Barbara kessel <barkes at gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > >> Date: Jun 8, 2008 11:39 PM
>>> > >> > > >> Subject: Fwd: Friday afternoon at the Main Jail
>>> > >> > > >> To: Josh Seiter <jseiter2 at uiuc.edu>, Kristin Palmer <
>>> > >> palmerk3 at gmail.com>
>>> > >> > > >> Cc: Jail library <btp-jail-libraries at books2prisoners.org>
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> Tracy Dace and I met with 65 prisoners. The air conditioning
>>> had
>>> > >> gone out
>>> > >> > > >> in the men's cells.The library was OK.
>>> > >> > > >> Neither Kristin nor Josh have a key to the Books to Prisoners
>>> room
>>> > >> and
>>> > >> > > >> access to the jail box. I am going to go and meet one of
>>> them
>>> > >> around 5:45.
>>> > >> > > >> If it is Josh with a car, he can take the box and we can
>>> figure out
>>> > >> later
>>> > >> > > >> how and when to get it back. If it is Kristin on her bicycle,
>>> then
>>> > >> I can
>>> > >> > > >> give her the books and magazines in a bag that she can carry.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> I have a proposal to the keystaff that we purchase 2 or 3
>>> keys for
>>> > >> our
>>> > >> > > >> Monday nighters so that the jail inmates don't have to always
>>> be
>>> > >> "sad" as
>>> > >> > > >> Frances Jacobson reports when there is no jail box with their
>>> > >> long-awaited
>>> > >> > > >> orders. The Friday afternoon people all know we will be there
>>> on
>>> > >> Monday
>>> > >> > > >> night and they are eager.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> Here were the Friday orders:
>>> > >> > > >> 1-2. Deborah Kissel and Adrien White want word search books.
>>> These
>>> > >> have to
>>> > >> > > >> be bought at the grocery store.
>>> > >> > > >> Deborah is still hpoing for one of two Dave Pelzer books -
>>> Help
>>> > >> Yourself
>>> > >> > > >> and The Privilege of Youth.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> 3. Valerie Gordon wants the little booklets Daily Bread.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> 4. Marcus Williams wants True to the Game 2, which is checked
>>> out
>>> > >> to a
>>> > >> > > >> woman prisoner named Chantrel (or something similar) Brown,
>>> who
>>> > >> promises to
>>> > >> > > >> bring it back rather than give it to her cell mate. This idea
>>> is
>>> > >> tough sell,
>>> > >> > > >> but if the books comes in from Ms. Brown, please put it in
>>> the box
>>> > >> until Mr.
>>> > >> > > >> Williams comes in.
>>> > >> > > >> Jay had an idea about checking out special books such as
>>> Goines. I
>>> > >> want
>>> > >> > > >> to hear it. (again).
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> 5. Charles Brown wants, has wanted, is wanting, will want
>>> Nikki
>>> > >> Turner or
>>> > >> > > >> Dutch 2. The latter is by Teri Woods, the author of True to
>>> the
>>> > >> Game.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> 6. Cody Decker wants anything by Zane except for Breaking the
>>> > >> Cycle. I put
>>> > >> > > >> something by Zane in the box with his name on it.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> 7. William Kelly wants a Koran. We were completely out of
>>> them, and
>>> > >> he
>>> > >> > > >> wanted several to be there for others. I put three in the box
>>> and
>>> > >> told Naeem
>>> > >> > > >> Sheikh about this as people from the Mosque occasionally
>>> visit the
>>> > >> jail and
>>> > >> > > >> bring such things. Johnnie Ray
>>> > >> > > >> Priester asked before for something on Hadith. Said he
>>> already had
>>> > >> his
>>> > >> > > >> own Koran. On Friday he was in Seg and they would not let him
>>> come.
>>> > >> I had
>>> > >> > > >> the slim book, Understanding Islam and gave it to the guard
>>> for
>>> > >> him. They
>>> > >> > > >> will usually do that for prisoners. The Mosque has also been
>>> > >> informed about
>>> > >> > > >> this request as we will not have that.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> 8. One request for the small Alcoholics Anonymous blue backed
>>> book.
>>> > >> Jay
>>> > >> > > >> tells me that we don't supply them, but that the jail does.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> 9. Vernon Jones has been reading our poetry collection most
>>> > >> aggressively
>>> > >> > > >> but has not found anything he likes yet. He wants some poetry
>>> that
>>> > >> is
>>> > >> > > >> "realistic." Another guy wanted love poetry that rhymed and I
>>> was
>>> > >> able to
>>> > >> > > >> help him with a lot of searching. I am working on something
>>> for
>>> > >> Vernon
>>> > >> > > >> through networking and inquiry. Hoping to have something by
>>> Monday
>>> > >> night.
>>> > >> > > >> Our poetry collection has not been hitting the spot for some
>>> time.
>>> > >> Does
>>> > >> > > >> anyone out there have a good idea for something that
>>> > >> African-American men
>>> > >> > > >> would like?
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> Barbara Kessel
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________
>>> > >> > > >> Btp-jail-libraries mailing list
>>> > >> > > >> Btp-jail-libraries at lists.chambana.net
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/btp-jail-libraries
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > _______________________________________________
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>>> > >> > > > http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/btp-jail-libraries
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > > _______________________________________________
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>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > --
>>> > >> > Barry Isralewitz, Ph. D. Theoretical and Computational
>>> Biophysics
>>> > >> Group, UIUC
>>> > >> > Beckman 3043 Office Phone: (217) 244-1612 Home Phone: (217)
>>> > >> 337-6364
>>>
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>>> Group,
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>>> 337-6364
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>>> Barry Isralewitz, Ph. D. Theoretical and Computational Biophysics
>>> Group, UIUC
>>> Beckman 3043 Office Phone: (217) 244-1612 Home Phone: (217) 337-6364
>>> email: barryi at ks.uiuc.edu http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~barryi<http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/%7Ebarryi>
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