updating policy... RE: [Imc-web] Trolls Worth Watching

[meghan at ucimc.org]

i think an update that goes through steering would be a good thing.

-lurker

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Mike Lehman wrote:

> I agree a update is needed. It hasn't been done since responsibilities
> shifted to Web, so the posted policy is now a mix of how we used to do
> things and how they're done now.
> Mike Lehman
>
> Paul Bengt Riismandel wrote:
>
> > I agree, and I'm OK with hiding this type of crap from "Jack" and his
> > fans/alter-egos right now.
> >
> > However, I do think we should consider making some changes to the
> > "acceptable use policy" in order to more formally delegate editing
> > duties than they are now.
> >
> > I'd be willing to suggest the changes and bring them steering, with the
> > support of the imc-web list.
> >
> > Mostly, I want to guard against any possible charges of "self-appointed"
> > editors. While this hasn't been a problem at UCIMC, it has been the
> > basis for several deep conflicts at the Portland, SF and NYC IMCs,
> > causing enormous rifts.
> >
> > I honestly don't believe we have the same situation here at UCIMC, if
> > only because there isn't the same sense of possessiveness over the site
> > by anyone here. But all it takes is one person to so closely identify
> > the site with her/his personal stake in the IMC to screw it all up.
> >
> > --Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: imc-web-admin at lists.cu.groogroo.com
> > [mailto:imc-web-admin at lists.cu.groogroo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lehman
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:21 AM
> > To: UCIMC website work
> > Subject: Re: [Imc-web] Trolls Worth Watching
> >
> > Kevin said it was OK for me to post these comments he sent me to the
> > list.
> > Mike Lehman
> >
> > I know I haven't been around much for meetings and such- but I have been
> > visiting the site every day. I think more aggressive action is very a
> > good
> > idea.
> > I don't see why an insult or a personal attack is something that belongs
> >
> > on a
> > local news discussion board at all. I, personally, would be in favor of
> > hiding
> > any post which attacks people or begins with a childish insult. At the
> > least,
> > a post which is *nothing but* an insult should be hidden. They'll whine
> > about
> > censorship; but it's not "censorship" when someone comes into a bar or
> > restaurant and starts abusing the customers, is it? Or if you go into a
> > library or community center and start shouting at people?
> >
> > And I think it really does inhibit participation from others. Instead of
> > intelligent discussion, you can be GUARANTEED to find the discussion
> > taken
> > over by abusiveness and insults. Visiting the IMC website is much more
> > stressful than it needs to be. I often feel like visiting the site is a
> > chore-
> > an obligation to support something I believe in. It's hardly ever
> > enjoyable,
> > for what it's worth.
> >
> > As long as nothing which is NOT an insult or attack is hidden, the IMC
> > will be
> > about 10,000 times better than any conservative forum in existence. And
> > it
> > really isn't all that hard to tell what is an attack and what isn't. The
> >
> > few
> > gray areas can be left unhidden by default.
> >
> > I've been thinking about this for a while- and I really think Mike has
> > the
> > right idea. If anything, I don't think he's going far enough.
> >
> > Again, I know this is the first any of you have heard from me in a long
> > time,
> > so I realize I shouldn't be insistent. But that's my two cents.
> >
> > -Kevin Heinrich
> >
> > Then Kevin added this:
> >
> > Mike-
> > Go right ahead. I had actually intended to reply to the whole list- I
> > think
> > the difference between Pine and Webmail confused me.
> > It seems to be two or three people, max, but they're doing a good job of
> > shouting most everyone else down. And I like the approach you described
> > in
> > responding to Paul. I don't think banning individuals [will] work- or at
> >
> > least
> > it will take a lot of effort, since he can always just post under a
> > different
> > name. Cracking down on individual posts which are clearly nothing but
> > blatant
> > attempts to bully and silence others seems like a better approach.
> > -Kevin
> >
>
>
>
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