[Imc-web] Why was this comment hidden?

[Mike Lehman]

"X" is Xander, who was given a time out for relentless trolling of everything BD publishes, as well as ignoring several warnings that posting privileges would be blocked if behavior continued, which it did.

If you think we need to allow this constant trolling of anything BD writes as a way of getting discussion going, I would suggest the fact that haveing allowed this crap to go on for too long has discouraged any legitimeta eposters from wanting to engage the troll.

Again, part of a much bigger policy discussion  that needs to be had at some point -- but I'd rather be consistent with the trolls, when they are both clearly identifiable and who have had their account suspended.

I was uncertain whether to propose a temporary suspension or a permanent one, but I believe it should be permanent. It should be permanent, because of the continued abuse and the fact that this is the exact same person who's already blown several user namers for the exact same shit. To do otherwise is to basically decide to allow regular writers to be stalked. That sounds a whole lot like having a blog, rather than a newssite.

More time for discussion on this F2F later, as it's a complicated issue and I'm trying to de-stress in the U.P., rather than do anymore dealing with our regular hemorrhoids than I have to right now.
Mike Lehman

-----Original Message-----
>From: Danielle Chynoweth <chyn at ojctech.com>
>Sent: Jun 2, 2007 7:07 PM
>To: imc-web at ucimc.org
>Subject: [Imc-web] Why was this comment hidden?
>
>ML - what was the reason for hiding the comment pasted below in
>response to Brian's article?  It appears to be a perfectly legitimate
>response - distinguishing between private debt and debt due to a crime
>or violation of policy - even if I don't agree with his/her
>conclusions.  It has no personal attacks and doesn't appear to violate
>our policy.  There is little discussion  on this thread and this
>comment might help get things going.
>
>Enjoying the IMC website from WV,
>
>- Danielle
>
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>new This comment has been hidden.
>I'm going to try to be polite here.
>[trolling - ML]
>
>What do you suggest we do with people who don't pay their fines, then?
>Just ignore them? If we did that, then why would anyone EVER pay a
>traffic ticket?
>
>"The debtor's jail, once considered a relic of the 19th century, has
>now been re-instituted in Champaign County."
>
>This is not the same thing. Debtor's jails were used when someone owed
>a debt to another private person or agency, and didn't pay them. This
>case is because someone broke a traffic law and didn't pay the
>penalty. We're not talking about a rent-to-own TV or something that he
>missed a couple of payments on. This guy broke a law. There was a
>penalty issued, and he didn't follow through with it. So they moved on
>to the harder stuff.
>
>"This kind of bill collecting had become common during previous
>State's Attorney John Piland's administration. Champaign County Health
>Care Consumers exposed the way Carle Hospital was using the court
>system to collect on its debts, and Carle's tax exempt status was
>revoked. The current State's Attorney Julia Rietz won her campaign in
>2004 by promising she would put an end to this kind of legal
>retaliation."
>
>Do you not see the difference between a person who gets sick, through
>no fault of his own, and then can't pay his medical bills, and a
>person who willfully breaks laws and then just doesn't pay the
>penalty? What am I saying, of course you don't. So, would a reasonable
>person not see the difference between a person who gets sick, through
>no fault of his own, and then can't pay his medical bills, and a
>person who willfully breaks laws and then just doesn't pay the
>penalty? And then KEEPS breaking traffic laws, for good measure?
>
>I'll grant you that there are certainly better things the city could
>be spending our tax dollars on. But don't make this guy out to be
>another one of your martyrs, because it just doesn't fit.
>
>X
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