[Newspoetry] thanks for opinions / poem take II

[Joe Futrelle]

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On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 02:53:45AM -0600, John Wason wrote:
> Please disregard and don't include my previous message in the digest.  It
> had a very uncool subject line.
> 
> John
> 
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> 
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:45:29 -0600 (CST)
> >From: gillespie william k <gillespi at uiuc.edu>
> >To: <newspoetry at lists.groogroo.com>
> >Subject: [Newspoetry] thanks for opinions / poem take II
> 
> >I wanted to respond to a number of responses to the Goff piece that
> >were sent to me privately and through this list. I'll go out on a shaky
> >limb and just admit that some of the things Goff pointed out were new to
> >me. That oil consumption is peaking and that alternative energy sources
> >can't compensate for the diminishing oil reserves is a new one. To respond
> >to Sam, I mostly get the sense from (a stereotyped conflation of) leftist
> >environmentalists that we could all live happily in the suburbs using
> >solar power and squeaky clean natural gas, and fill our SUVs with manure
> >and gasahol and burning dollar bills after the peaceful demise of
> >capitalism. I guess I didn't (as Goff sez) "do the math." Goff also offers
> >explanations for US intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo, two "peacekeeping
> >missions" for which I had no coherent official or cynical explanation.  I
> >*liked* the Luxemburg quote and the degree of paranoia Goff managed to
> >attain. It is very hard to distinguish a sound appraisal of the facts from
> >a "pessimistic" attitude. To help me with my attitude, I cherish those
> >moments when people older than me assure me that things used to be worse,
> >as recently as last century. There is scattered evidence that the human
> >race is slowly evolving and might someday become civilized.
> 
> I'd love to hear THAT evidence.  :)  That's one of my favorite debates.  I'm
> older than you, and I maintain that human nature hasn't changed in however
> long man has been around, and that the evil in man predominates over the
> good.  I know that hardly anyone agrees with me, because everyone wants so
> terribly badly to believe that man is evolving toward some higher state.
> And that's OK.  I'd like to believe it myself.  It would make me much happier.
> 
> As for the dedication of your poem, WillGill, thanks for your gesture of
> welcome.  I appreciate the encouragement.
> 
> John
> 
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