[Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson off the fence

[Alfred Kagan]

Actually, I think we should count it a small victory that he did not 
commit himself until the last moment.


>Honestly, Carl, I can't say I did doubt it.  I think a lot of us 
>tried, not to "hope" exactly, but to "suspend disbelief" - as if we 
>were watching a horror movie (shouting, "Behind you!  Behind you!") 
>- but not too successfully.
>
>Fortunately - just to stretch the poor analogy as far as it will go 
>- we know that many people can hear us, many already saw the danger, 
>and that we are not really in a movie that we can't change: so much 
>greater the horror.
>
>So much greater the need to organize.
>
>Ricky Baldwin
>606 W. White St.
>Champaign, IL 61820
>(217)356-2205
>---------------------------------------------
>Civil disobedience is not our problem.  Our problem is civil 
>obedience.  Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world 
>have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have 
>gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience 
>... Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in 
>the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and 
>cruelty.  Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails 
>are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are 
>running and robbing the country.  That's our problem. --Howard Zinn, 
>Failure to Quit
>----------------------------------------------
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "C. G. Estabrook"
>To: Ricky Baldwin
>CC: peace-discuss at lists.cu.groogroo.com
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson off the fence
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:20:53 -0500
>Did you ever have any doubt?
>On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>  > Tim J has just let Phil Bloomer know that he will vote in favor of
>  > Bush's Iraq resolution.
>  >
>  > Sorry, folks.
>  >
>  >
>  > Ricky Baldwin
>  > 606 W. White St.
>  > Champaign, IL 61820
>  > (217)356-2205
>  > ---------------------------------------------
>  > Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience.
>  > Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the
>  > dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and
>  > millions have been killed because of this obedience ... Our problem is
>  > that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and
>  > starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that
>  > people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all
>  > the while the grand thieves are running and robbing the country. That's
>  > our problem. --Howard Zinn, Failure to Quit
>  > ----------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > 
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