[Peace-discuss] RE: [Peace] Re: question from AWARE

[Thomas Peter Nelshoppen]

Hmmm...  How someone can have such a distorted view of the situation is beyond me.

Speaking for myself, I suggest that if SPA has a problem with PRC, and both parties feel the need to resolve this (if that is even desirable), they do it offline.  There's no point cluttering this list or getting AWARE involved, IMO.

Regardless, this is a time we should be coming together to fight the common enemy not insulting each other.

Tom


	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Matt Reichel [mailto:reichel at students.uiuc.edu] 
	Sent: Sun 3/23/2003 2:28 PM 
	To: Peter John Rohloff; peace at lists.groogroo.com; spa-core-l at listserv.uiuc.edu 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [Peace] Re: question from AWARE
	
	


	        I thought I would write a reply to this question and a
	continuation of the comments already posted by Robert, so as to clear the
	air a bit.
	
	        Generally, SPA's relationship with the PRC has been like every
	other group that I have talked to and their relationship with the PRC: "We
	like to work together with them because they work on good issues and are
	good at bringing out lots of people, but it's a REAL pain in the ass to
	work with them." So we've lived with the same unfortunate situation as
	everyone else for the last few years...
	
	        However, things have recently worsened. Their insipid bureaucracy
	without a human face has culminated in grave and injurious tensions.
	        After we decided to add to "Day After" activities with a march
	(something we found necessary because of all the adrenaline that would be
	pumping), it was brought to our attention that the PRC could not support
	such action for several reasons (some of which were reasonable..) Our
	attempts at compromising by assuring that security would be in place and
	that the administration would be "expecting" unrest on the Day After
	War... didn't work.
	        But, not only did the PRC refuse to co-sponsor (which is a
	reasonable move), they then began to intentionally sabotage the march
	through a long train of manipulations, lies, and perversions. While SPA
	was busily hanging fliers that advertised the march AND rally, helping
	AWARE with an ad in the paper that mentioned both, chalking classrooms
	throughout campus with info on both, AND adding co-sponsors to the march
	AND rally that the PRC did not have on their impressive list, PRC never
	once mentioned the march. Not only did they fail to co-sponsor, they also
	failed to mention an event that was directly linked and helpful to their
	cause: of stopping the War on Iraq.
	        On the day of the rally/march, they further sabotaged our plans by
	NOT clarifying to the crowd which way the march was (many of our
	supporters followed them in error..), and by forcing us to move the start
	of our march out of their way so that noone would join us. The latter act
	involved verbal and physical abuse from Joe Rupp and Karen.
	        So, then we walked over to the alma mater to inform people that
	the march would be beginning from there now because the PRC had perverted
	the plans. This was easy because anyone and everyone was ready to take to
	the streets and MAKE something of this large mass of peace activists. The
	PRC's claim that no-one would want to take part in an act of civil
	disobedience was QUICKLY proven dumbfounded.
	        Further, the PRC claim that everyone who marched would be arrested
	was proven 100% wrong by the end of the day. ZERO ARRESTS!!, despite all
	of the necessary disruption of normal daily lives that the peaceful march
	entailed.
	        Ironically, the only abuse incurred all day was NOT from police,
	but from PRC "Security" trying to forcibly prevent peace supporters from
	acting under their will by marching. Also, other reports have come in
	about PRC members forcibly taking their signs back from peaceful
	protestors. You add to this all of the physical and verbal abuse that SPA
	members received from PRC members, ..and it turns out that the PRC were
	the ones upholding the Police State on THurs 3/20.
	        As a result of these actions, it does not look like SPA can work
	with the PRC. THeir regimented means of organizing lacks human qualities
	that we feel all peace activists should value. We do know that some
	fabulous people have worked with the PRC: Meredith, Clara and others of
	608 Elm, etc....  However, we unfortunately cannot work with a majority of
	the group...Joe R, Karen, Demien, Jeff Machoda, and others....
	
	        I am sorry to make note of this. However, I do think it was
	necessary to mention.
	        I strongly believe that the more open organizing offered by
	AWARE's design is favorable. We at SPA are working hard to fully realize
	AWARE's mostly un-bureaucratic methodology.
	
	        Solidarity,
	        Matt
	
	
	
	
	On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Peter Rohloff wrote:
	
	>
	> Hi Matt,
	>
	> Hope you get this in time. I'm facilitating AWARE's meeting tonight.
	>
	> Something that has come up several times in our meetings (and which I
	> expect will come up again tonight, hence the note): A few people who
	> attend our meetings keeping alluding to some sort of antagonism between
	> SPA and PRC. And then trying to force AWARE to take sides. My
	> impression has always been that, while SPA and PRC have clear
	> philosophical differences, this antagonism is not as great or
	> significant as these certain individuals would make it out to be. And
	> certainly not something worth fighting about.
	>
	> I think Ricky may have already talked to you about this, but I'm
	> wondering if you have some semi-official comment I could use. So if it
	> comes up in our meeting, I can say "Matt said..." and end the
	> conversation.
	>
	> Thanks for your time. Great job on the march, BTW.
	>
	> In peace, Peter
	>
	>
	>
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