[Peace-discuss] confrontation/alternatives [Peace] P4P thoughts/ideas

[Ricky Baldwin]

Ken, Joan and all-

For those who couldn't make last night's meeting, a
new working group formed to plan an alternative event
for folks who feel they can no longer participate in
P4P (see minutes on peace list).

I would, however, just like to remind folks that P4P
was never *planned* as a confrontational event.  The
counterdemo made it so by intentionally scheduling
their event at the same place 1/2 hr before we
regularly begin.  Their organizer made it clear to me
thatthey are there only because of us.  (And by the
way, any event we plan is subject to this kind of
treatment, i.e. it could *be made* confrontational, if
the likes of Mark Thompson, Clear Channel, et al are
so inclined.)

Ricky

Ricky


--- Ken Urban <kurban at parkland.edu> wrote:
> I'd like to see us adding events that are less
> confrontational than P4P
> in order to attract more 'undecided' people to our
> cause.
> 
> The candle light vigil at Carle Park was a great
> event, perhaps we could
> do something like that weekly.  There were many,
> many people at the
> vigil that I have not seen at P4P.  We need a
> community event that will
> bring them out.  
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Ken
> 
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> >>> Joan Nelshoppen <jnlshppn at prairienet.org>
> 03/31/03 05:37 AM >>>
> Interesting idea.  We take our two kids with us to
> P4P as we believe it
> is 
> a valuable experience for them.  We will NOT be
> taking part in a die-in 
> although others are welcome to.  Please let me know
> if this actually
> gets 
> planned for a weekend so we can stand in the no
> die-in section.  I
> really 
> doubt such an action will "defeat the prowar people
> morally."   It will 
> just make them shake their heads and wonder about
> our sanity.  (Please
> know 
> I am not saying "don't do this."  You can do what
> you want.  That's one 
> thing AWARE is certainly strong on.)
> 
> The same goes with a mock funeral/ coffin
> procession.  I, for one, don't
> 
> wish to be a part of that if it gets planned.  Again
> there will need to
> be 
> an area at P4P that isn't so much into these types
> of demos and where 
> theater organizers don't expect others to take part
> in.
> 
> Joan
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:59 AM 3/31/03 -0600, Matt Reichel wrote:
> 
> >1) Die-in.   We should organize a "die-in" for one
> of the weeks, where
> all
> >of the anti-war protestors at one time fall to the
> ground. The image
> will
> >be perfect: flag waving brainwashed patriots waving
> banners
> >that say "support out troops! Go get 'em! Kill
> Saddam...etc" standing
> next
> >to a massive group of people that are illustrating
> the true results of
> >Bush's program of action. Instead of escalating P4P
> into a game of
> numbers
> >(how many protestors and signs can we get out
> there?), I think this
> "die
> >in" idea will defeat the pro-war people morally.
> This will parallel the
> >war situation in that we can just lay down and say
> "okay. you've won!!
> ..
> >but what have you won?"
> 
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