[Peace-discuss] The other occupation

[David Green]

I basically agree with Carl and Mort's assessment of
this rather odd occasion, although I give Wasserstein
a lot of credit for having a grasp of the self- and
other-destructiveness of Israel's behavior. I would
have asked him to describe more about the period from
1993-2000, when Israel used the "peace process" to
strangle the Palestinian economy. If Israel could not
tolerate a viable Palestinian entity then, why would
it now, when it is being given a free hand by the Bush
(and future Kerry) administration?

DG


--- "Morton K.Brussel" <brussel4 at insightbb.com> wrote:
> Thanks Carl for posting that salient, if grim,
> commentary by Chuckman.
> 
> I thought that Wasserstein's talk must have been
> badly swallowed by 
> most of the audience that night but was good
> medicine on the whole for 
> them. Although, I don't believe they'll accept it.
> However, I too 
> thought that there was a heavy dose of optimistic
> unreality to his 
> prognosis. Someone should have asked him who would
> be left to represent 
> the Palestinian cause for a renewed two-state
> solution after the 
> destruction of the Palestinian infrastructure by the
> Sharon government. 
> But more fantasy was his view that Sharon was seeing
> the light, and 
> would be willing to free up what little remains of
> the Palestinian 
> lands on the west bank.
> 
> The realism of Sharon that Wasserstein posited is
> the realism of Bush.
> 
> MKB
> 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2004, at 8:44 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> 
> > [Last night I listened to a calm, reasoned, and
> optimistic prognosis 
> > for
> > the Sharon policy by Bernard Wasserstein of the U.
> of C. Roughly, his
> > argument is that population statistics dictate
> that Israel must accept 
> > a
> > two-state solution along the lines of the Taba
> discussion (of which he
> > gave an optimistic reading), and that's what
> Sharon is moving to.  
> > There
> > were odd things about the discussion -- notably,
> the United Sates' 
> > being
> > mentioned only as a rather benign onlooker; no
> mention of oil, Iraq, 
> > Iran,
> > etc. -- and as I came away I fell into a fantasy
> (probably because I 
> > went
> > on to a discussion of the Frankfort School) that
> it was the autumn of 
> > 1938
> > instead the spring of 2004 and I had just heard a
> learned German 
> > professor
> > give an account of how his government had no
> further territorial 
> > demands
> > in Europe, now that the question of territory and
> nationality had been
> > adequately adjusted by the leading governments in
> conference at Munich.
> > So, to bring myself back to reality, I read what
> our friend Jeff St. 
> > Clair
> > posted on counterpunch.org yesterday, below. 
> --CGE]
> >
> > 	The Sharon Annex
> > 	Evil Does Often Triumph
> > 	By JOHN CHUCKMAN
> >
> > It did appear that that mountainous bulk of murder
> and corruption, 
> > Ariel
> > Sharon, was about to leave politics. Much as with
> Al Capone, 
> > authorities
> > only caught up with him through a trail of crooked
> money.
> >
> > But we have heard less of his retirement lately
> and rather more about 
> > his
> > plan to leave Gaza. Apparently, after killing
> hundreds of its 
> > occupants,
> > including scores of innocent bystanders as Israeli
> helicopters fired
> > missiles into city streets, Sharon thinks he'll
> get some good press 
> > about
> > leaving Gaza.
> >
> Etc.
> 
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