[Peace-discuss] Re: UBA Letter

[Wendy Edwards]

Could we just create an "apolitical" nonprofit group that happens
to have the same members as AWARE?

On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:18:35PM -0600, Phil Stinard wrote:
> Carl,
> 
> What would you suggest for a political route to follow?  I can imagine 
> picketers outside the mall carrying signs that say "Free Speech Ends Here," 
> "Private Property:  Check your free speech at the door," "I won't shop 
> where I can't speak," etc.  The mall gets so little business as it is, a 
> picket might scare the management into changing their policy.
> 
> --Phil
> 
> >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:56:36 -0600
> >From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
> >Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Peace] Re: UBA Letter
> >To: "Morton K.Brussel" <brussel4 at insightbb.com>
> >Cc: Susan Davis <sgdavis at uiuc.edu>,
> >	Peace-discuss at lists.cu.groogroo.com,	Danielle Chynoweth
> >	<chyn at ojctech.com>
> >Message-ID:
> >	<Pine.SGI.4.10.10412031139120.860328-100000 at alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
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> >
> >Your comments seem quite right, Mort.  Lenin also said that the
> >bourgeoisie would sell the rope with which it was to be hanged -- but
> >apparently not the mall space where it might be criticized.
> >
> >Malls as the new public squares must recognize the rights that the Bill of
> >Rights made governments recognize more than 200 years ago. More than a
> >generation ago, US businesses were forced to recognize rights of public
> >access.  Now they apparently must be forced to recognize civil liberties.
> >We have to insist that our public representatives do that. It's happening
> >across the country, and Urbana has an opportunity to do so in regard to
> >Lincoln Square.
> >
> >Given what seems to be the fecklessness of the Illinois courts on this
> >matter, it's probably pointless to sue them -- except to publicize the
> >matter.  The route has to be political primarily, I suppose, but I think
> >we may want to take advice on a suit, if only for the publicity. --CGE
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Morton K.Brussel wrote:
> >
> >> I received the following letter from Paul Tatman, Board President of
> >> the Urbana Business Ass'n.
> >>
> >> November 28, 2004
> >>
> >> Thank you for your recent letter regarding the Market In The Square. I
> >> appreciate your position concerning policies governing the indoor
> >> market. As you are aware, there are inherent differences between the
> >> outdoor market and the indoor market. The outdoor market is held on
> >> public property and is completely accessible to the public, including
> >> vendors, nonprofit groups and shoppers.
> >>
> >> The indoor market is held on private property that creates certain
> >> parameters that do not apply to the outdoor market. The property of
> >> Lincoln Square management is very clear. Political groups are not
> >> allowed to participate in political activities inside the mall.
> >>
> >> The Market in the Square is meant for vendors wishing to sell
> >> locally-made and locally-grown products to shoppers inside the mall.
> >> The Management reserves the right to approve or deny individual vendors
> >> based on mall policies.
> >>
> >> Lincoln Square has shown committed support for nonprofit and community
> >> groups over the years and will continue to do so.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Paul Tatman
> >> Board President
> >> Urbana Business Association
> >>
> >> Nothing new here. There is no attempt to reconcile our requests with
> >> their rigid(?) rules, to admit that in fact the public subsidizes the
> >> Mall operation with its business and (perhaps?) with its taxes. Nor is
> >> their any attempt to define what is encompassed by "political"
> >> (Girl/boy scouts?, VFW?, church groups?,?). Does political mean
> >> "controversial" to somebody or other?
> >>
> >> So, quoting Lenin, "What is to be done?".
> >>
> >> Our original letter is attached:
> 
> 
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