[Peace-discuss] Re: [Peace] Re: UBA Letter

[C. G. Estabrook]

"Political groups are not allowed to participate in political activities
inside the mall."  The passive construction is nice: who, after all, is
not allowing it?

The group meeting with Stevens should point out that opening malls as the
new public squares to civil liberties, is a movement under way across the
country.  We should do our part by considering a suit to do what we've
been doing outside, inside as well.  I suggest that we consult with legal
representation as well and report on the possibilities to the Sunday
meeting. --CGE
  

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Morton K.Brussel wrote:

> Thanks for your kind words Al, but it was Durl Kruse who composed most
> of the letter to Tony Stevens of the UBA. I merely signed off on it to
> act while Durl was incommunicado. Susan, myself, and perhaps others,
> only offered some suggestions, which Durl incorporated.
> 
> So thanks to Durl for carrying the ball.
> 
> Mort
> 
> On Dec 5, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Al Kagan wrote:
> 
> > Mort,
> >
> > Thanks for your excellent letter.  I liked the ideas we discussed 
> > tonight, essentially a two track strategy.  I am pleased that a group 
> > is going to meet with Mr. Stevens to press him on opening up, and at 
> > the same time, I think we should press the issue by going to "sell" 
> > our post cards, and everything else on our literature table, including 
> > all our pamphlets for 1 cent each.  If they throw us out, we we just 
> > get more publicity.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Morton K.Brussel wrote:
> >
> >> I received the following letter from Paul Tatman, Board President of 
> >> the Urbana Business Ass'n.
> >>
> >> November 28, 2004
> >>
> >> 

> >>
> >> Thank you for your recent letter regarding the Market In The Square. 
> >> I appreciate your position concerning policies governing the indoor 
> >> market. As you are aware, there are inherent differences between the 
> >> outdoor market and the indoor market. The outdoor market is held on 
> >> public property and is completely accessible to the public, including 
> >> vendors, nonprofit groups and shoppers.
> >>
> >> The indoor market is held on private property that creates certain 
> >> parameters that do not apply to the outdoor market. The property of 
> >> Lincoln Square management is very clear. Political groups are not 
> >> allowed to participate in political activities inside the mall.
> >>
> >> The Market in the Square is meant for vendors wishing to sell 
> >> locally-made and locally-grown products to shoppers inside the mall. 
> >> The Management reserves the right to approve or deny individual 
> >> vendors based on mall policies.
> >>
> >> Lincoln Square has shown committed support for nonprofit and 
> >> community groups over the years and will continue to do so.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Paul Tatman
> >> Board President
> >> Urbana Business Association
> >>
> >> Nothing new here. There is no attempt to reconcile our requests with 
> >> their rigid(?) rules, to admit that in fact the public subsidizes the 
> >> Mall operation with its business and (perhaps?) with its taxes. Nor 
> >> is their any attempt to define what is encompassed by "political" 
> >> (Girl/boy scouts?, VFW?, church groups?,
). Does political mean 
> >> "controversial" to somebody or other?
> >>
> >> So, quoting Lenin, "What is to be done?".
> >>
> >> Our original letter is attached:<Market in the Mall 
> >> mkb.doc>_______________________________________________
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> >>
> >
> > Al Kagan
> > Africana Unit, Room 328
> > University of Illinois Library
> > 1408 W. Gregory Drive
> > Urbana, IL 61820
> > USA
> >
> > tel. 217-333-6519
> > fax 217-333-2214
> > akagan at uiuc.edu
>