[Peace-discuss] Re: Dean on Nader
Russell A Rybicki
russrybicki01 at juno.com
Thu Jul 15 15:25:38 CDT 2004
I like Ricky's point on where the Democrats get their money.
I haven't checked, but I'll bet that the majority of money Kerry has
comes from Corporations (or bundled contributions) that are giving more
money to Bush than to Kerry. If a contributor gives more money to Bush
than Kerry, I would say it would be safe to say that contributor is a
Republican. Therefore, Kerry takes money form Republicans.
With Nader and Kerry taking money form Republicans we could say the there
is no difference between these to parties and vote Green 8-) Just
kidding I know there are differences and this debate is just a way to
keep us off the issues.
Take care all - Russ Rybicki
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT)
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Dean on Nader
> To: Chuck Minne <mincam2 at yahoo.com>, Peace
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> So what? Where does Kerry get his money? Plenty of
> conservatives, plenty of pro-war liberals, plenty of
> union-busters, etc., etc. And where's Bush get his?
>
> If the Democrats put more time and energy into
> offering a real alternative to the GOP, instead of
> bashing the few who are saying what the Dems OUGHT to
> be saying, maybe they'd have some mass appeal.
>
> Right now, the best Kerry-Edwards have got going for
> them is that they aren't GW Bush - a pretty low
> standard if ever there was one. What they ought to be
> worried about is low voter turnout.
>
> They need to envigorate the electorate with something
> real, register the poor, mobilize the folks for whom
> neither Bush nor Kerry (at present) is even promising
> much. That's what Mondale's advisers told him - he
> didn't do it - and the rest is history.
>
> My 2c.
>
> Ricky
>
> --- Chuck Minne <mincam2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nader defends GOP support
> >
> >
> >
> > By Steve Miller
> >
> > THE WASHINGTON TIMES
> >
> >
> >
> > Ralph Nader yesterday defended the support he has
> > received from Republicans in his presidential bid,
> > saying that "Republicans are people, too." …….
> >
> >
> >
> > "What's gone is gone and what's done is done," Mr.
> > Dean said to Mr. Nader. "I don't begrudge Ralph
> > Nader for running in 2000," but he called Mr.
> > Nader's candidacy "disingenuous" because of its
> > support from the right.
> >
> > "You have 46 percent of all your signatures to get
> > you on the Arizona ballot turned out to be
> > Republican supporters," Mr. Dean noted. "One out of
> > every $10,000 check has been from people who have
> > already given money to Bush/Cheney - this is not
> > going to help the progressive cause in America."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "The mass media is little more than a public
> > relations industry for the rich and powerful. The
> > media's job is to 'train the minds of the people' to
> > believe in the virtue of the powerful goons who rule
> > them." Noam Chomsky--“arguably the most important
> > intellectual alive” N.Y.Times ..... My Web Site
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:08:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] p.s.
> To: Chuck Minne <mincam2 at yahoo.com>, Peace
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> And where does Dean, of all people, get of accusing
> anyone of being "disingenuous"? Posing as "the
> anti-war candidate"!
>
> Ricky
>
>
> --- Chuck Minne <mincam2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nader defends GOP support
> >
> >
> >
> > By Steve Miller
> >
> > THE WASHINGTON TIMES
> >
> >
> >
> > Ralph Nader yesterday defended the support he has
> > received from Republicans in his presidential bid,
> > saying that "Republicans are people, too." …….
> >
> >
> >
> > "What's gone is gone and what's done is done," Mr.
> > Dean said to Mr. Nader. "I don't begrudge Ralph
> > Nader for running in 2000," but he called Mr.
> > Nader's candidacy "disingenuous" because of its
> > support from the right.
> >
> > "You have 46 percent of all your signatures to get
> > you on the Arizona ballot turned out to be
> > Republican supporters," Mr. Dean noted. "One out of
> > every $10,000 check has been from people who have
> > already given money to Bush/Cheney - this is not
> > going to help the progressive cause in America."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "The mass media is little more than a public
> > relations industry for the rich and powerful. The
> > media's job is to 'train the minds of the people' to
> > believe in the virtue of the powerful goons who rule
> > them." Noam Chomsky--“arguably the most important
> > intellectual alive” N.Y.Times ..... My Web Site
> > ..... ClickMeToo
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:55:50 -0500
> From: Morton K.Brussel <brussel4 at insightbb.com>
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Torture in Guantanamo too?
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> One can readily believe that one of the reasons the US wants to hold
> on
> to its political prisoners is that if they are released they will
> tell
> their tales, like this guy did. MKB
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: George Stanford <gstanford at aya.yale.edu>
> > Date: July 14, 2004 3:42:48 PM CDT
> > Subject: Torture in Guantanamo too?
> >
> > Thanks to Bob Palm
> >
> > Freed Swede Says He Was Tortured in Guantanamo
> >
> > Jul 14, 1:26 PM (ET)
> >
> > By Jan Strupczewski
> >
> > STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - A Swede released from the U.S. naval base
> at
> > Guantanamo Bay last week said he had been tortured by exposure to
> > freezing cold, noise and bright lights and chained during his 2
> > 1/2-year imprisonment.
> >
> > Mehdi Ghezali, the son of an Algerian-born immigrant who was
> arrested
> > in Pakistan where he says he was studying Islam, told Swedish
> media in
> > interviews published or aired on Wednesday that he was subjected
> to
> > interrogations almost every day.
> >
> > The 25-year-old man was released on July 8 after pressure from
> Sweden
> > including a meeting in Washington between Prime Minister Goran
> Persson
> > and President Bush.
> >
> > Ghezali told Dagens Nyheter daily and Swedish public radio that
> he
> > had answered all questions put to him for the first six months but
> > gave up talking when his interrogators kept asking the same
> questions.
> >
> > After more than two years in the camp, in April this year the
> > military stepped up the pressure on him.
> >
> > "They put me in the interrogation room and used it as a
> refrigerator.
> > They set the temperature to minus degrees so it was terribly cold
> and
> > one had to freeze there for many hours -- 12-14 hours one had to
> sit
> > there, chained," he said, adding that he had partially lost the
> > feeling in one foot since then.
> >
> > CHAINED FEET
> >
> > Ghezali said he was deprived of sleep for about two weeks by
> constant
> > switching of cells and interrogation, was exposed to powerful
> flashes
> > of light in a dark room, to very loud music and noise and was
> chained
> > for long periods in painful positions.
> >
> > "They forced me down with chained feet. Then they took away the
> > chains from the hands, pulled the arms under the legs and chained
> them
> > hard again. I could not move," he said.
> >
> > After several hours his feet were swollen and his whole body was
> > aching. "The worst was in the back and the legs," he said.
> >
> > Some of these torture methods have also been used by the U.S.
> > military on Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in a scandal
> which
> > has embarrassed the U.S. government this year.
> >
> > Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds told public radio that
> if
> > correct, the allegations meant that the U.S. had broken
> international
> > laws. "That is wholly unacceptable," Freivalds said.
> >
> > She said that she hoped that the U.S. would investigate the
> > allegations.
> >
> > Ghezali said he went Pakistan to study Islam in August 2001,
> before
> > the September 11 attacks which triggered President Bush's war on
> > terrorism and the invasion of Afghanistan.
> >
> > He said he was visiting a friend in the Afghan town of Jalalabad
> near
> > the Pakistani border when the U.S. attack started and decided to
> > return to Pakistan when he heard that villagers were selling
> > foreigners to the U.S. forces.
> >
> > But he was captured by Pakistani villagers while crossing the
> border
> > from Afghanistan and sold to Pakistani police, who turned him over
> to
> > the U.S. military. He was flown from Pakistan to Afghanistan and
> > arrived in Guantanamo in January 2002.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:57:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Green <davegreen48 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Minutes for July 11
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> I posted the minutes from Nicky on Monday, but
> apparently my Yahoo e-mail has not been working
> correctly, and they did not go through. Unfortunately,
> I've also lost them from my sent box.
>
> If anybody knows how to get in touch with Nicky, she
> probably still has them in document or e-mail. Have
> her send them to you, or have her re-send them to me.
>
> I apologize for losing them. I'll do penance by taking
> them at the next meeting. Anybody who has any urgent
> information that may have been in those minutes should
> send an e-mail the the list.
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> David Green
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:02:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE minutes July 11
> To: nidyal at vassar.edu
> Cc: AWARE peace <peace at lists.groogroo.com>, peace discuss
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> Hi Nicky-
>
> Do you by any chance still have the minutes from the
> AWARE meeting in a form that you could send to me or
> Dave Green? We seem to have had some technical
> difficulties.
>
> Thanks again for volunteering.
> Ricky
>
> --- David Green <davegreen48 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I posted the minutes from Nicky on Monday, but
> > apparently my Yahoo e-mail has not been working
> > correctly, and they did not go through.
> > Unfortunately,
> > I've also lost them from my sent box.
> >
> > If anybody knows how to get in touch with Nicky, she
> > probably still has them in document or e-mail. Have
> > her send them to you, or have her re-send them to
> > me.
> >
> > I apologize for losing them. I'll do penance by
> > taking
> > them at the next meeting. Anybody who has any urgent
> > information that may have been in those minutes
> > should
> > send an e-mail the the list.
> >
> > David Green
> >
> >
> >
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> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Thank You for Taking Action on Nuclear
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