[Peace-discuss] A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush!

[Phil Stinard]

>Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:54:27 -0500
>From: "jpitzl" <jpitzl at wildhunt.org>
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush!
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>I don't remember naming or insulting you (or anyone) directly (did I even
>quote one line of your message?). I was commenting on a larger trend I have
>seen with many progressives, if you want to construe that as a personal 
>attack
>that is surely your right.

Oh, you weren't insulting me DIRECTLY!!!  By the way, that's why I said 
"sublty couched insults."  I'm not a part of some larger trend of 
progressives as you wrongly assume.  My political views are solely my own, 
the results of years of experience of thinking for myself.  You might be 
able to write a little more precisely if you did quote my messages.  That 
way, you wouldn't have to make up conceited assumptions about me or, indeed, 
about the vague "larger trend" you've seen with "many progressives," 
whatever that is.

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> >From your letter however I see quite a bit of paranoia, and just as much
>"presumptuousness" as you supposedly saw in my letter.

I don't recall making any presumptions about you.  In fact, I said (in a 
second post) that I didn't know enough about you to determine whether you 
were a John Kerry hack.  As for paranoia, it would help me figure out what 
you're talking about if you would quote the "paranoid" passage.  Maybe it 
was my comment on Bush and Kerry wanting to destroy the world?  That's what 
we call hyperbole.  It would have been more accurate for me to say that they 
want to control the world.  If, on the other hand, you are referring to the 
way I stick up for myself and don't take crap from other people, well, I'd 
rather be "paranoid" than have the wool pulled over my eyes and drift off 
into some pseudoliberal dream.

--Phil

>
>Jason Pitzl-Waters
>http://www.wildhunt.org/
>
>
>On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:21:15 -0500, Phil Stinard wrote
> > Bravo, bravo, there's a lot to be said for presumptuousness,
> > intentional misunderstanding, and sublty couched insults!  Did I say
> > I was wishing ill on anyone to meet my political ends?  I didn't
> > even know that I had any political ends!  Sure, I wish ill for Bush
> > and Kerry, but that's because they're trying to destroy the world.
> >  Oh, just that.  But to meet political ends?  Really!    I was just
> > making a prediction on how this affair would end.  I'm going to
> > pursue the democratic (I should say electoral) route and vote my
> > conscience, not what do what some self-deluded Kerry supporter tells
> > me.
> >
> > I get personal emails from Kerry supporters insulting me, and I
> > really, REALLY don't have time for that.  You're not convincing me
> > of anything except that maybe there is some kind of disinformation
> > campaign going on to try to keep the left "in line" so that they can
> > march lock-step to the polls, pull the democratic lever, and jump
> > into the abyss.  Not for me, and NOT IN MY NAME!!!!  Have a nice day.
> >
> > --Phil

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