[Peace-discuss] Was the election stolen?

[Morton K.Brussel]

Phil, Relative to your remarks, given below, many, perhaps most, are 
embittered not because Kerry as a person and politician lost, but 
because Bush "won" (if he did). I care little about Kerry, and dislike 
his foreign policies especially, but foresee great dangers for us and 
the world because Bush now has a supposed mandate to carry out his ugly 
policies, his aggressions abroad and here. We've had this argument 
before, but you seem not to care that Bush and his ilk are now in the 
driver's seat for another four years, with consequences extending well 
past his term, and I think that deeply regrettable.

As for your casting aside as par for the course the fraud that may have 
been committed---grave questions on the election process which you do 
not seem to want to consider---I think that too is regrettable. It is 
no excuse to say that frauds are inevitable, or that there have been 
frauds in previous elections. We have to try to eliminate them, and if 
they caused the election to be perverted in this election, it is to the 
progressive community all the more important in view of the nature of  
who will be in power. That Kerry has been silent on the subject is 
neither here nor there, given his past performances; it may also be due 
to his estimation that it was futile to contest the results, or perhaps 
he just lacked guts or a misplaced sense of decency---similar to what 
Gore showed in year 2000. I believe that with the stakes so high in the 
election, one should fight as hard as possible to show, if there is a 
possibility of showing, that Bush in fact has no mandate, and that 
possibly the election was once more stolen.

Mort

On Nov 7, 2004, at 8:24 PM, Phil Stinard wrote:

>  However, I understand that there are some embittered Kerry voters who 
> feel that their vote WAS stolen because Kerry didn't win.  I put in 
> that last clause intentionally, because had Kerry won, I doubt that 
> few Kerry supporters would be complaining about fraud or stolen votes. 
>  My view is that there is a certain amount of fraud, discarded votes, 
> and disenfranchisement in every election, and that this election was 
> no worse than any other, and yet, it is only the loser in a close race 
> who cries fraud, or more precisely, the supporters of the loser who 
> cry fraud, because Kerry himself is rather silent on the subject.