[Peace-discuss] RE: [Peace] dear brooke, AWARE, et al

[Joan Nelshoppen]

Stop!!!

No personal attacks.   I don't know your history.  I don't want to know your
history.  But this kind-of letter has no place here.

Your anger and rantings are not helping your cause.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: peace-bounces at lists.groogroo.com
[mailto:peace-bounces at lists.groogroo.com]On Behalf Of Robert Dunn
  Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:01 AM
  To: brooke at shout.net; Peace-discuss at lists.cu.groogroo.com;
peace at lists.cu.groogroo.com
  Subject: [Peace] dear brooke, AWARE, et al


   I am opposed to the war still and am fighting from the right against the
neoconservative movement. My defection has to do with what i see as the
rigidity of the left and the potential self-destruction that it could lead
to.
  I entered the left when I joined the Progressive Resource/Action
Cooperative(PRC). At that time I was a young 16 year old who was looking for
a family that I was lacking in my life. I took the left-wing cause as a
substitute family which led to disastrous emotional consequences for me. For
a few years, I followed "the party line" without question even though it
went against my moral beliefs. But I met people like Carl and others who did
not accept the PC way and developed his own opinions based on his moral
principles and sound reasoning. That has been lacking in quite a few left
groups. These organizations such as the PRC run on emotion and propaganda,
not facts and principles.
  Brooke, Can you answer a question for me? You talk about broadening the
anti-war movement? What about anti-war folks from the right? Are they allies
or the enemy? What do you feel about the DNC banning pro-life delegates from
the Democratic Convention. They were anti-war and progressive on other
issues but they were pro-life so they were the enemy, correct? Meanwhile the
conservative movement has gotten broader and broader. Now, evangelical
Christians, tax reformist, neoConservative Jews and other warhawks have
formed a broad coalition that includes pro-choice Republicans. Why is that
the left has to be more rigid than the right is now. Dont believe me, then
which party is controlled by identity politicians and poverty pimps such as
yourself, the Democratic and Green parties. If you alienate anti-war
conservatives, then you are losing a huge potential ally. I have tried when
I was active in AWARE to get the evangelical churches who had a significant
number of anti-war folks involved. However they are also pro-life and some
may have religious objections to homosexuality but have the attitude of
"love the sinner, hate the sin." Some even came to "the PRCs' large anti-war
emergency response rally. But, i guess they are just a bunch of dumbass
fascists hicks because they are pro-life? Correct?
  Also, you want people of faith to shut up and keep their moral convictions
to themselves. Thats fine with me if you and your atheist buddies at IDF
shut your trap up and keep your secular humanism to yourself. Deal?
  By the way Carl, my criticism of Thomas Frank is that he tends to overlook
that some on the left, do by their demeanor and attitude sound pompous and
elitists. If he did cover that, I stand corrected then and could you cite
the page that its on?
  my anger in this message is addressed at the arrogance that Brooke has
shown, proving my point that the identity politics movement is not about
liberation but about some upper class snobs to feel good about themselves
making working class folks such as myself feel bad for having the wrong
opinion, dont use words such as "people of color", "LGBTGAIQ and whatever
new letter of the alphabet may be added." I support issues and will work
with anyone who shares my beliefs regardless whether I agree with them on
other issues. No, i must have missed the class where i learned the
politically correct way of saying things so not to offend anyone. I was too
busy trying to support myself with a job. I envy you Brooke, got a job right
out of college and never had to work for anything, had everything handed to
you. I bet you were someone who threw temper tantrums as a child. Maybe
thats where you get that desire to protest anything and everything. hey, i
did it, but I had to learn the hard way that nothing in life is going to be
handed to you on a silver platter, you have to earn it, work for it, and
grab it.
  I used to look up to you as that insecure 16 year old.
  I think i have grown up now that I am 22. I still have more to growing up
to do.
  Regards, Robert


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