[Peace-discuss] Robertson calls for Chavez assassination

Tue Aug 23 15:56:53 CDT 2005

Look, Robert, I have never once criticized your
religion or beliefs, a respect that apparently isn't
mutual.  And I happen to know there are a lot of
hardworking leftists who do not "hate" religious
people or "mock" them -- a lot of leftists ARE
religious, in fact.  And if you had spent as much time
as I have in churches with my fellow leftist
materialist atheists, listening respectfully to the
religious motivations that many people have for
joining leftist causes, you wouldn't make such
generalizations.

As to Robertson, he isn't worthy of your defense.  He
has a long history of entanglement in rightwing
causes.  I specifically wondered how the religious
RIGHT would respond, because Robertson is one of them
-- and I ASSUME the religious left won't like what he
said.  So what the latter will say or do seems
immaterial -- like wondering whether folks in AWARE
will like his little crack.

Chavez certainly has his flaws, as does FARQ and as
does AIM -- leaving aside the hypocrisy of a white guy
calling Ward Churchill a "wannabe" Indian -- but does
that mean it's okay to assassinate him?  Who else
should we assassinate?  Maybe the President of France?
 Or Spain - they pulled out of Iraq AND they're
letting gays get married there! - or maybe just
ordinary folks who oppose the war or don't share our
beliefs in some way?  In what "context" is this okay?

I'm not advocating that Robertson be, well,
assassinated or anything, or tried (after all he
hasn't actually assassinated anyone), just criticizing
-- and, because he as his followers, and allies,
asking who among them has the guts to say that he is
way out of line on this even if they share his beliefs
on other topics.  Apparently, at least in some small
way, it was the right question to ask.

I hope you see my point.

Ricky

--- Robert Dunn <prorobert8 at hotmail.com> wrote:

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well it all depends on what the religious left is
going to be doing. Oh, yeah, thats right if you
believe in God seriously are religious publicly in
defiance of the ACLU, then the Left hates you and
mocks you. Yeah, too bad those evangelical Christians
who are anti-war were shown the boot, the left could
have used them. But i now know why that had to happen,
The Left not only hates people who believe in a higher
power than the New York Times, they think they are
God!

who besides me actually saw him say that on the 700
club? That quote has been taken out of context. And
why is the Left so enthralled with this guy? According
to the American Indian Movement composed of real
Indians, not the fake Ward Churchill, wannabee types,
Chavez is responsible for dozens of massacres of
indigenous peoples, and supporting the FARQ, which the
LEFT worships at the altar apparently, who was
responsible for the murder of Ingrid Washinawatok sp,
a member of AIM. 

Can someone answer those questions for me, and why is
the Left so hostile to religious people when it
actually should be trying to get more evangelicals on
their side? But, the atheistic materialistic, moral
relativistic folks who have hijacked the Left. 

Robert in Southern Cal

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From:  Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
To:  peace discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Subject:  [Peace-discuss] Robertson calls for Chavez
assassination
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
>I don't want to imply that this visionary by himself
>is evidence of US policy - but I do recall a photo of
>him reviewing the troops (contras) down in the area
of
>Nicaragua back in the 80s, and a few other tidbits.
>Maybe somebody else knows whether he has a hotline to
>the W as well as to Jesus.  But it will be
interesting
>to see who on the Religious Right can distance
>themselves from him on this, and who will beat around
>the bush (no pun intended).
>-Ricky
>
>Televangelist Calls for Chavez' Death
>Tue Aug 23 6:20 AM ET
>AP
>
>VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat
>Robertson suggested on-air that American operatives
>assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop
>his country from becoming "a launching pad for
>communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."
>
>"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the
>time has come that we exercise that ability,"
>Robertson said Monday on the Christian Broadcast
>Network's "The 700 Club."
>
>"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of
>one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued.
>"It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert
>operatives do the job and then get it over with."
>
>Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken
>critics of President Bush, accusing the United States
>of conspiring to topple his government and possibly
>backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have
>called the accusations ridiculous.
>
>"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of
>assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to
>assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go
>ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot
>cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any
>oil shipments will stop."
>
>Robertson, 75, founder of the Christian Coalition of
>America and a former presidential candidate, accused
>the United States of failing to act when Chavez was
>briefly overthrown in 2002.
>
>Electronic pages and a message to a Robertson
>spokeswoman were not immediately returned Monday
>evening.
>
>Venezuela is the fifth largest oil exporter and a
>major supplier of oil to the United States. The CIA
>estimates that U.S. markets absorb almost 59 percent
>of Venezuela's total exports.
>
>Venezuela's government has demanded in the past that
>the United States crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan
>"terrorists" in Florida who they say are conspiring
>against Chavez.
>
>Robertson has made controversial statements in the
>past. In October 2003, he suggested that the State
>Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has
>also said that feminism encourages women to "kill
>their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
>capitalism and become lesbians."
>
>
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