[Peace-discuss] RE: Darfur (and Gaza)

[Scott Edwards]

*sigh*

If I had attributed the quote to Mickey Mouse, would there be any actual 
substantive responses related to Darfur?

Also, since we were (for some confused reason) talking about Darfur and Gaza 
the Wiesel quote (incuding the obvious disconnect with occupied-territory 
policy) was intentional.







>From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>To: Scott Edwards <scottisimo at hotmail.com>
>CC: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] RE: Darfur (and Gaza)
>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:32:32 -0600
>
>Quoting that sanctimonious fraud Elie Wiesel is an indication of the moral 
>and political ambiguity of the "save Darfur" movement.  Entirely a 
>propagandist for Israel, Wiesel holds the view that one should be silent 
>about atrocities carried out by Israel.  Or even by states allied to 
>Israel: fifteen years ago he tried to convince holocaust scholars not to 
>attend a genocide conference because it was going to deal with the Armenian 
>genocide, and the Israeli authorities wanted to cancel the conference 
>because it might harm their relations with Turkey. (The effective 
>Turkey-Israel alliance remains the basis of US control of Middle East 
>energy resources.) --CGE
>
>Scott Edwards wrote:
>>Killing civilians is not an indication of a "political conflict". 
>>Widespread sexual violence is not a by-product of civil war. And the 
>>injustice in Gaza is no excuse for an injustice in Darfur. I challenge 
>>anyone to spend three years trying to address widespread rape, murder, 
>>poverty, and disease with little success and "feel good" about it.
>>
>>The UN is old news. No one even close to *remotely* familiar with the 
>>situation in Darfur has had any non-rhetorical hope for a UN peacekeeping 
>>operation for about a month and some change. The government of Khartoum, 
>>responsible for millions of deaths since the mid-80s, has heroically stood 
>>up to the international community, and the international community has 
>>heroically backed down.
>>
>>"Sometimes, we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human 
>>dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become 
>>irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, 
>>religion, or political views, that place must--at that moment--become the 
>>center of the universe." --Elie Wiesel
>>
>>-scott
>>
>>
>>
>>>Message: 3
>>>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:43:05 -0600
>>>From: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
>>>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Darfur (and Gaza)
>>>
>>>"Military intervention won’t stop the killing. Those who are clamouring
>>>for troops to fight their way into Darfur are suffering from a salvation
>>>delusion. It’s a simple reality that UN troops can’t stop an ongoing
>>>war, and their record at protecting civilians is far from perfect.
>>>Moreover, the idea of Bush and Blair acting as global moral arbiters
>>>doesn’t travel well. The crisis in Darfur is political. It’s a civil
>>>war, and like all wars it needs a political settlement..."
>>>
>>>Full article at
>>>http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n23/waal01_.html
>>>
>>>"Since March 1 the New York Times has run seventy news stories on Darfur
>>>(including sixteen pieces from wire services), fifteen editorials and
>>>twenty-one signed columns, all but one by Nicholas Kristof. Darfur is
>>>primarily a 'feel good' subject for people here who want to agonize
>>>publicly about injustices in the world but who don't really want to do
>>>anything about them...
>>>
>>>"Now, Gaza is an entirely different story. The American public as well
>>>as the US government have a great deal of control over what is happening
>>>there. And it is Israel, America's prime ally in the Middle East that
>>>is, on a day-to-day basis, with America's full support, inflicting
>>>appalling brutalities on a civilian population. To report in any detail
>>>on what's going on in Gaza means accusing the United States of active
>>>complicity in terrible crimes wrought by Israel, as it methodically lays
>>>waste a society of 1.5 million Palestinians..."
>>>
>>>Full article at
>>>http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12042006.html
>>>
>>>     ###
>>>
>>>
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