[Peace-discuss] Ron Paul etc.

[n.dahlheim at mchsi.com]

Ricky,
    Precisely because Ron Paul is not explicitly anti-racist, and probably because he harbors some 
unconscious racist sentiments given his rural Texas background; I don't think he will receive my vote.  But, 
he is the best of a bad, bad bunch.  I have said earlier, and it bears repeating; voting simply won't do any 
good since the system is basically run and operated for the benefit of the owner class.  The rest of us are 
drones and consumers from their perspective.  So, I refuse to participate in a rigged game that wastes my 
energy when it could be spent far more efficiently to better ends.
            Nick


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
To:      peace discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Ron Paul etc.
Date:    Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:18:56 +0000

> Ron Paul of course has also lost when he previously
> ran for president.
> 
> And maybe here's a good place to mention that AWARE is
> not just *anti-war* but *anti-racist* as well, as it
> should be.  That seems to rule out Mr. Paul from our
> perspective, regardless of his other reprehensible
> positions (thanks, Mort).
> 
> Ricky
> 
> --- n.dahlheim at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
> > Having said my piece about libertarianism in my last
> > post, outside of Kucinich, Ron Paul is the only 
> > legitimate anti-war candidate for 2008.  The war is
> > the most pressing of all political issues
> > confronting 
> > our gasping Republic, and with Kucinich having
> > already been defeated in previous attempts to run
> > for 
> > President, Paul probably will corner much of the
> > anti-war sentiment.  At the very least, he will stir
> > up 
> > trouble amongst the Republicans.
> > 
> > But, remember, I don't think the election matters
> > much anyway.  The Youtube debates and the 
> > American Idolization of the whole campaign reveals
> > how shamelessly the powerbrokers in this country 
> > have transformed the political process into a farce
> > concealing the basic truth about our society.  That 
> > unsettling truth is this: the politicians and the
> > political system operates at the behest and pleasure
> > of 
> > the plutocratic corporate/financier ruling class. 
> > Perhaps only a couple hundred people constitute the 
> > core of this class and formulate the policies of
> > this country.  They own this country, and they spend
> > 
> > tens and hundreds of billions to lobby for what they
> > want.  They will never let a minor inconvenience 
> > like an election stand in their way of maximizing
> > profits and social control.  If I were them, I
> > wouldn't let 
> > a little election obstruct my path.  After all,
> > Stalin said that it doesn't matter if people vote so
> > long as 
> > I'm the one that counts them.  Gore Vidal has called
> > the Republicans and Democrats essentially two 
> > wings of the same War Party, and that is what they
> > are.  The prestige of holding political office and
> > the 
> > massive ego that accompanies such positions
> > invariably corrupts just as Lord Acton had once 
> > predicted.  So, why are we letting ourselves
> > participate in their goofy charade?  Will the
> > corporate rulers 
> > listen to reason or are they blinded by their power?
> >  I think the choice is clear: people must say no to 
> > the political and economic system by forming
> > locally-based sustainable local economies.  We
> > should, as 
> > former Dillon Read investment banker and HUD asst.
> > director Catherine Austin Fitts says, know our 
> > banker and know our farmer so that we can work
> > together to build a beautiful world worthy of the 
> > highest of American values.  Let's take control of
> > our own future in this way.  I can tell you already;
> > I'm 
> > not voting in this election since voting will
> > essentially legitimate a process that utterly lacks
> > it.  The 
> > thefts of the last two presidential elections
> > undoubtedly has borne this out.
> >      I am not confident, however, that people will
> > embrace such a new direction.  Major paradigmatic 
> > shifts will be ncessary; and I don't see the
> > necessary reservoir of willpower, intellect, or
> > discipline.  We 
> > are addled on our cheap, Chinese consumer goods made
> > profitable by planned obsolesence.  We are 
> > drug addicts addicted to Frankenfood and other
> > poisonous victuals.  We are hopelessly impoverished
> > by 
> > the omnipresent, ceaseless din of electronic media
> > and mass advertising bombarding us with the 
> > sublminal commands to consume without end.  We are
> > lonely and depressed without the social 
> > networks to rely upon, and so we turn to the cold
> > consumer lifestyle as a poor substitute for our very
> > 
> > real human needs.  Yet, I refuse to give up all
> > hope; I just think we must be honest about the real 
> > hurdles we have to face.  The collective mind of the
> > American people will not grasp even the gravity of 
> > the scientific consensus surrounding global warming
> > at this late stage in the game.  Who knows where 
> > the future will lead us when these cultural
> > observations receive our attention.
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------  Original Message: 
> > ---------------------
> > From:    <illyes at uiuc.edu>
> > To:      peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ron Paul etc.
> > Date:    Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:15:55 +0000
> > 
> > > I'm 63 years of age. At about age 30, I took a
> > close look at my basically 
> > > Libertarian opinions, and realized that the
> > question of who was in charge was a 
> > > red herring. It doesn't matter who is in charge.
> > It does matter what is done. If 
> > > we debate the former, we neglect the latter, and
> > do great harm.
> > > 
> > > Bob
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