[Peace-discuss] Freedom of speech in CA (not in IL)

[C. G. Estabrook]

The moral right to free speech (among other rights) is broader than that 
allowed for in existing law.  That's what the authors of the Bill of 
Rights decided when they insisted that rights there enumerated be added 
before ratifying the 1787 constitution.  We obviously should be working 
to expand those rights, not limiting in the interests of the rich. --CGE

John W. wrote:
> At 11:14 AM 12/28/2007, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> 
>> [Local liberals are aghast at our suggestion that places like Lincoln 
>> Square are "the modern equivalent of a town square or community 
>> meeting place," but the California Supreme Court has grasped this 
>> obvious point.   (And I do love the objection that protesters were 
>> attacking the shopping center's "right to exist"; I wonder if that 
>> argument will be used elsewhere?) Happy new year.  --CGE]
> 
> Did you not note, Carl, that "courts in nearly all other states that 
> have considered the same issue have disagreed with the California 
> ruling"?  I'm sure the argument has BEEN used elsewhere, with success.  
> And all it would take in California would be the replacement of one 
> "liberal" justice with a more conservative one.
> 
> And did you not note, Carl, that "the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled in 
> 1976 that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects free 
> speech only against restrictions imposed by the government and not by 
> private property owners"?   It's apparently only because the California 
> Constitution grants more rights than the U.S. Constitution that the 
> California Supreme Court was able to rule this way.
> 
> John Wason
> 
> 
> 
>>         California's top court curbs malls seeking to limit boycotts
>>         Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
>>         Tuesday, December 25, 2007
>>
>> SAN FRANCISCO -- Labor unions and political protesters are protected 
>> by freedom of speech when they leaflet shoppers at malls in California 
>> and urge them to boycott stores, a sharply divided state Supreme Court 
>> ruled Monday.
>>
>> The 4-3 decision was based on the court's landmark 1979 ruling that 
>> allowed political speech and activity at large shopping centers. In 
>> that ruling, which involved signature-gathering on political petitions 
>> at the PruneYard Shopping Center in Campbell, the court said a 
>> shopping mall was the modern equivalent of a town square or community 
>> meeting place, where people come to exchange ideas as well as spend 
>> money.
>>
>> The U.S. Supreme Court had ruled in 1976 that the First Amendment to 
>> the U.S. Constitution protects free speech only against restrictions 
>> imposed by the government and not by private property owners. But the 
>> 1979 ruling, based on independent rights under the California 
>> Constitution, remains the law in the state.
>>
>> In Monday's case, lawyers for a San Diego shopping center argued that 
>> it had the right to protect its tenants' economic interests by 
>> prohibiting handbills that advocate boycotts of any of its stores. 
>> Attorneys for Fashion Valley Mall, a complex of more than 200 upscale 
>> retailers, said the freedom of speech recognized by the court in 1979 
>> didn't cover statements that attack a shopping center's purpose for 
>> existing.
>>
>> But a majority of the court said its rulings even before 1979 required 
>> shopping centers to allow peaceful picketing on the premises, even 
>> though it might interfere with profits. As long as the protesters 
>> don't disrupt a business or physically interfere with shoppers, the 
>> court said, the right of free speech outweighs the mall's right to 
>> protect its tenants' profits.
>>
>> "Urging customers to boycott a store lies at the core of the right to 
>> free speech," said Justice Carlos Moreno in the majority opinion. He 
>> said the mall's rules were not aimed at preventing disruption but 
>> simply prohibited certain speech based on its content.
>>
>> The dissenters, led by Justice Ming Chin, said the court should not 
>> only uphold the shopping center's ban on consumer boycotts but also 
>> overturn its 1979 ruling allowing peaceful political activity at 
>> shopping malls.
>>
>> "Private property should be treated as private property, not as a 
>> public free speech zone," said Chin, joined by Justices Marvin Baxter 
>> and Carol Corrigan. He noted that courts in nearly all other states 
>> that have considered the same issue have disagreed with the California 
>> ruling.
>>
>> At the very least, Chin said, the court should allow owners of a mall 
>> to forbid advocacy of a store boycott, which "contradicts the very 
>> purpose of a shopping center's existence."
>>
>> The case arose when members of a Teamsters Union affiliate that was 
>> involved in a labor dispute with the San Diego Union-Tribune handed 
>> out leaflets in October 1998 outside the Robinsons-May department 
>> store at the Fashion Valley Mall. The leaflets asked shoppers to call 
>> the newspaper's chief executive, noting that the store advertised in 
>> the Union-Tribune.
>>
>> The leafleters were expelled by the shopping center manager because 
>> they hadn't filled out a permit application promising to abide by the 
>> mall's rules, including a ban on advocating boycotts. Lawyers in the 
>> case said most regional shopping centers in California have similar 
>> rules, which will have to be changed because of Monday's ruling.
>>
>> The ruling doesn't directly affect other restrictions on protests at 
>> shopping centers, including rules enforced at many malls that limit or 
>> ban picketing and leafleting during the holiday season, and restrict 
>> the location of protesters at other times. But David Rosenfeld, a 
>> lawyer for the union in Monday's case, said he would argue that courts 
>> should take a closer look at such restrictions in light of the decision.
>>
>> W.W. Lines, a lawyer for the San Diego shopping center, said limits on 
>> the time and place of political activity at malls have been upheld by 
>> other courts and shouldn't be affected by Monday's ruling. "I think 
>> businesses can live with this," he said.
>>
>> The case is Fashion Valley Mall vs. National Labor Relations Board, 
>> S144753. The ruling is available at links.sfgate.com/ZBXC.
>>
>> E-mail Bob Egelko at begelko at sfchronicle.com.
>>
>> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/25/BA59U45LU.DTL
>>
>> This article appeared on page B - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
> 
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