[Peace-discuss] Fwd: Grubacic / Eisenhower'sMistake: A Taleof an Astonishing Letter tothe Former German Chancellor / Feb 18

[C. G. Estabrook]

Practically only in America (and the UK) did the propaganda line succeed 
that the US/NATO was engaged in a humanitarian exercise, rather than a 
minor bit of murderous imperialism.  Much of the rest of the world, 
including those who were bombed for 80 days, easily recognized the 
attack for the crime that it was.  The US by financial manipulation and 
killing, and threats of more of the same, established a government that 
would follow orders in Serbia.

In the "American right" I include of course most of the Democratic party 
in the Congress, who backed Clinton's war.  The left that opposed it was 
mostly outside the Congress, with a few honorable exceptions.  --CGE


Chas. 'Mark' Bee wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
> To: <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Grubacic / Eisenhower'sMistake: A 
> Taleof an Astonishing Letter tothe Former German Chancellor / Feb 18
> 
> 
>> The point is that a right-wing German politician admitted the truth 
>> about that war, against the general support that it had on the 
>> European (and American) right.
> 
>  Yes, well, historical revisionists typically swim against the tide, as 
> it were.  As far as support from the American right, that's just utterly 
> delusional.  The republican party brought up resolutions against it, 
> using the same arguments antiwar activists use against them today.  I've 
> got one if you want it, along with quotes of many protestations from 
> right wingers - it's quite the outrage fest.
> 
>>  His analysis agrees with the critique offered by the left, then and now.
> 
>  Nope, don't think so.  Your exclusionary misrepresentation of the left, 
> certainly.
> 
>>  It was a fake "humanitarian intervention" -- the US commander of the 
>> NATO forces admitted that the bombing made things worse.
> 
>  Oddly enough, Americans are treated with reverence in the region today.
> 
>>  But that's not the reason it was done -- as former Clinton admin 
>> figures now admit, it was done to bring Serbia to heel.
> 
>  Well, probably - when you take a bunch of people out of a refugee camp 
> and kill them, based on their ethnicity, I'd say bringing someone to 
> heel is probably a pretty good option.
> 
>>
>> Cf. Sudan. It was reveled just today that the USG was much more 
>> involved in overthrowing the popular government of Somalia than they 
>> have dmitted.  --CGE
> 
>  You left off your cite.
> 
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:18:41 -0600
>>> From: "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Grubacic / Eisenhower's Mistake: A 
>>> Taleof an Astonishing Letter to the Former German Chancellor / Feb 18
>>> To: <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>>> To: <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Grubacic / Eisenhower's Mistake: A 
>>> Taleof
>>> an Astonishing Letter to the Former German Chancellor / Feb 18
>>>
>>>
>>>> An important comment, I think.  Mutatis mutandis, the parallels in
>>>> humanitarian concern for Serbia and Sudan seem rather close to me. 
>>>> --CGE
>>>
>>>  Looks to me like another product of the Kosovo historical 
>>> revisionism that
>>> has taken hold there since the intervention.  That the reporter is 
>>> quoting
>>> the American Enterprise Institute on policy, a republican lie mill, 
>>> from a
>>> time when the republicans were dragging Clinton over the coals on 
>>> everything
>>> they could, is telling.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Morton K. Brussel wrote:
>>>>> Looking backward; a note about the war in Yugoslavia/Kosovo.---mkb
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *ZNet Commentaries <sysop at zmag.org <mailto:sysop at zmag.org>>
>>>>>> *Date: *February 18, 2007 5:29:44 PM CST
>>>>>> *To: *brussel at uiuc.edu <mailto:brussel at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>> *Subject: **Grubacic / Eisenhower's Mistake:  A Tale of an 
>>>>>> Astonishing
>>>>>> Letter to the Former German Chancellor  / Feb 18*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's commentary:
>>>>>> http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2007-02/18grubacic.cfm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ZNet Commentary
>>>>>> Eisenhower's Mistake:  A Tale of an Astonishing Letter to the Former
>>>>>> German Chancellor February 18, 2007
>>>>>> By Andrej Grubacic ...
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