[Peace-discuss] US betrayed by Democrats again - and by ourselves

Sat Jan 6 12:42:30 CST 2007

I really don't care what my neighbors say about us now, but I know two things: 1) in hindsight more will agree with us, and 2) perhaps because of us, my young nephews will have the courage and energy to stand up for what they believe is right. -karen medina
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This comment is specifically made in support of Ricky's comments:
1) >In the short run, though, take it out of military
>(contractors) R&D and pay the Iraqis.
and
2) It's easier to sit back and criticize than to get out and do your best, [...] collapse from fatigue or depression or confusion,[...] struggle with contradictions,[...] struggle with all kinds of personal obligations that you'll be neglecting as a result,[...].
[...]The real reason is that there just aren't enough of us doing it, 

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>Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 09:40:37 -0800 (PST)
>From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] US betrayed by Democrats again - and by ourselves  
>To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>
>Certainly we shouldn't allow the government to take
>money from the poor and from infrastructure, which is
>essentially the same, to pay reparations to Iraq, (or
>to do anything else -- or to do nothing at all).  But
>the reparations are still due.  And, yes, the rich
>should be paying their taxes -- should be taxed at a
>higher rate, at least as much as they used to be, but
>in truth they didn't pay that either, so the issue is
>the political will to make them pay, not the rate.
>
>In the short run, though, take it out of military
>(contractors) R&D and pay the Iraqis.
>
>And, just to say it again, I also think that we can't
>just blame the rich for the war or the taxes.  We also
>can't just blame the spineless Democrats or bloodless
>Republicans.  We allowed it.  We elected these clowns
>and if we didn't *exactly* elect every one of them,
>then we sure as hell damn near elected them - got them
>close enough to steal it, anyway, when they never
>should have been even remotely in the running.
>
>Then we allowed them to carry out their disgusting
>agendas without disrupting their prim and proper press
>conferences, their dusty old so-called "debates" (over
>whether they would screw the poor over a barrel or put
>the thumbscrews to them), and their $1000 a plate
>dinner parties.
>
>Sure, some of us have been working hard on a number of
>fronts, or trying to focus on one (it's hard to know
>which way to go when each front is so profoundly
>screwedd up and there are so many damn fronts). 
>Unfortunately we waste a lot of precious time
>squabbling amongst ourselves instead of talking to the
>people we really need to be talking to - those in the
>great disgusted public who for want of a better term
>we might call "potential recruits" - but some of us do
>try.
>
>Many others don't, let's be plain.  It's easier to sit
>back and criticize than to get out and do your best,
>fail, at least halfway, forget things, drop the ball,
>collapse from fatigue or depression or confusion,
>screw up, struggle with contradictions, make
>compromises, refuse to compromise, struggle with all
>kind sof personal obligations that you'll be
>neglecting as a result, and take the blame from
>everybody who says you should have done more - or less
>- or should have compromised - or shouldn't have - and
>all the while we're losing ground.  That's tough.
>
>But the reason we lose is not because those of us who
>do these things are not doing enough.  The reason we
>lose is not because we aren't entirely correct in our
>strategy.  The real reason is that there just aren't
>enough of us doing it, and the reason for that is that
>we (as a whole) aren't focussed enough on finding new
>folks with new ideas and new energy and new complaints
>and hangups and strengths and weaknesses of every
>kind, and encouraging, welcoming, helping, integrating
>into our thing - or their own new thing - those new
>folks.
>
>Now I think some of us do a fair job of this actually,
>at least some times.  I just think we have to start
>taking some responsibility for the screwed up way
>things are, including the things we disagreed with -
>and I'm going to start right now by getting my ass off
>line.
>
>Ricky
>
>--- "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> At 04:57 PM 1/5/2007, karen medina wrote:
>> 
>> >Chas. 'Mark' Bee
>> >
>> > > Full reconstruction on our dime.
>> >
>> >Definitely. But not under US control of the dime.
>> 
>> 
>> I say full reconstruction on the dime of the Bush
>> and Cheney families and 
>> Halliburton and the Carlyle Group and so forth. 
>> Seize their assets; 
>> torture them until they reveal the location.  I
>> ain't got any more dimes, 
>> when our own infrastructure and the welfare of our
>> own poorer citizens have 
>> been so sorely neglected for so long.
>> 
>> John Wason 
>> 
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