[Peace-discuss] Estabrook

[C. G. Estabrook]

This is not in fact an answer to what I wrote earlier today on Bob's 
charge that the July 4 flyer is "disrespectful to Israel."

It's so silly and made up of such fantastic charges that I don't think 
it's possible to answer -- or worth the time to do so.

AWARE would do much better to work on understanding the vicious American 
war policy in the Middle East, talking to others about it, and 
organizing against it.  --CGE


Bob Illyes wrote:
> The chambana.net listsev has been flaky recently, so if you didn't
> get Carl's posting "AWARE disrespectful to Israel?" today please
> read it in the archive before reading on, since the following is a
> response to it.
> 
> Carl misses the point. AWARE membership has significant
> differences on number of issues. A few are
> 
> 1) Carl claims that Democrats (and more generally liberals) are
> largely at fault for the Iraq war and occupation. Most of us do
> not agree with that. Hence his attack flyer on Obama which caused
> serious conflict inside AWARE and cost us some valuable members.
> It also brought us much discredit in the community. I wasn't
> going to bring it up, but he just did.
> 
> 2) Carl claims that the American form of government is fundamentally
> flawed. It is not clear what his counter-proposal is. In a conversation
> at a mutual friend's house, he claimed that we have had no good
> presidents, and that it is impossible that we can under the existing
> system. Many of us disagree with that. I grant you that all of our
> presidents were seriously flawed, but all people are, including me
> and possibly even Carl.
> 
> 3) Carl claims a global conspiracy behind our action in Iraq. A number
> of us think this is not only wrong but simplistic, and that Israel
> (which is a part of this posited conspiracy) is not our proxy (as
> Carl proposes) but an independent country
> 
> I could go on, but I only listed a few because my point is that
> we do not have consensus on a number of important issues. Things
> that we do not have consensus on should not be in an AWARE brochure.
> 
> What disturbs me most is that both the Obama attack flyer and
> the recent flyer contained material that Carl knew some of us would
> strongly object to, but he put it in anyhow and then didn't run it
> by a meeting before issuing it in our name. Am I imagining things,
> or is there a pattern here?
> 
> There is one more difference that I should mention:
> 
> 4) Most of us believe that peace begets peace and that conflict begets
> conflict, and we try to make peace a way of life. Carl proposes that
> conflict is necessary to bring peace, and brings that conflict into
> AWARE. We are a strong voice for peace. It is important that we
> don't self-destruct.
> 
> Bob
> 
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