[Peace-discuss] Wasson on common people

[C. G. Estabrook]

Apparently I failed to make myself clear.  I meant to attack John's 
contempt for Middle America.  --CGE


Robert Dunn wrote:
> it seems that both of you have such contempt for middle America. Why 
> don't both of you then go to where the elites are? The West Coast with 
> the Hollyweird airheads, and Manhattan, where the East Coast elites 
> thrive. Both Coasts love to sneer at the Middle Class and want to make 
> sure that the poor never get there. That is why they had to create a 
> permanent and dependent underclass that would be subservient to the Left 
> in general and the Democratic party in particular. Any one who breaks 
> out of this new poverty plantation has to be vilified as a class or race 
> traitor. We on the right do not see class/race/sex/sexual behavior the 
> way the left does. We are not into determinism. I know that with 
> hardwork and faith, i can get into the middle class, which is for me, a 
> week away! As for my kids, i pray that they will rise higher than i can 
> into an even higher class.
> 
> BTW, Carl, you misspelled Johns name, its Wason? See John, not all of us 
> on the Joe Six Pack right are dumb ignoramuses as you and your liberal 
> counterparts think. By the way, i do know how to locate Iraq on a map. I 
> also can discuss Heideggerian existentialism with you and why Leo 
> Strauss is right that we have progressed so far into nihilism that we 
> either progress ourselves to destruction or we return to a combination 
> of biblical religion and greek rationalism. But, that must make me a 
> neocon, right?
> 
> Am I swimming in the murky waters of totalities and values as Heidegger 
> accused the Nazis of? they were not nihilistic enough. I think Heidegger 
> would love the postmodern American Left which has no moral compass at 
> all. That is the difference between Joe Six Pack and the liberal elites, 
> one believes in absolute truth, the other, radical nihilism!\
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
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>             From:  /"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>/
>             To:  /"John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>/
>             CC:  /peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net,
>             discuss at communitycourtwatch.org/
>             Subject:  /[Peace-discuss] Wasson on common people/
>             Date:  /Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:06:04 -0500/
>              >Dear Man of the People:
>              >
>              >Hmm.  I'd be careful, were I you, of charges of "bloviation."
>              >
>              >But I do understand why you should have such contempt for
>             "secondary
>              >sources" -- cf. "Don't confuse me with the facts".
>              >
>              >Here's a recent fact for you: in the latest USA
>             Today/Gallup Poll,
>              >people were asked, "From what you have heard or read, do
>             you think
>              >President Bush was right to commute Libby's sentence, do
>             you think
>              >he should have gone further and granted him a full pardon,
>             or do you
>              >think he should not have intervened at all on Libby's
>             behalf?"  The
>              >answers --
>              >
>              >     Right to commute sentence - 13%
>              >     Should have granted full pardon - 6%
>              >     Should not have intervened at all - 66%
>              >     No opinion - 15%
>              >
>              >As usual, the true "fringe" in our country are Bush
>             followers and
>              >their establishment media allies. Compare that fact about
>             American
>              >public opinion on the Libby matter to this, from Andrea
>             Mitchell on
>              >MSNBC:
>              >
>              >"They're going to try to really tamp this down and appeal
>             to the
>              >polling which indicates that most people think, in fact, that
>              >[Libby] should be pardoned. Scooter Libby should be pardoned."
>              >
>              >Our ideological institutions, which you praise (I assume
>             you include
>              >your alma mater?), in this case the media, have betrayed
>             you even in
>              >your perception of your fellow citizens.  But I'm sure
>             they've done
>              >that innocently, don't you think?
>              >
>              >Given the possibility that I "can't even remotely touch
>             [your] life
>              >experience or [your] understanding of the common people,"
>             I'll take
>              >solace for my inexperience and lack of understanding with
>             Gore
>              >Vidal's remark, "Thank God I wasn't born middle class."
>              >
>              >Can we both agree with Gore?  And then are we both
>             traitors to our
>              >class?
>              >
>              >At least the cartoon was good.
>              >
>              >Regards, Carl
>              >