[Peace-discuss] ideology etc.

[Robert Dunn]

this is exactly why i have become disillusioned with "The Left!" The 
constant looking down on those whom have a disagreement as less worthy. This 
elitism has alienated working class America. Thank you Bob for your comment. 
Its time for the Left to turn back to its populist roots and purge itself of 
the University based intellectual elite class! Return to the union halls, 
churches, and out of the Lecture Halls!

>From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>To: Bob Illyes <illyes at uiuc.edu>
>CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ideology etc.
>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:17:56 -0500
>
>These are such inane statements (on important issues) that I can't imagine 
>anyone taking them seriously.  But the issues themselves -- America's 
>relation to Israel, the goals of US/Israeli policy, the situation of the 
>Palestinians, the nature of the American political parties, and the 
>political economy of the United States -- are inescapable if one wants to 
>understand the war and oppose it.  I thought that was what AWARE was trying 
>to do.
>
>It's not enough simply to say that Bush and Cheney (or Clinton and Osama) 
>are morally responsible for the war and leave it at that.  We have to say 
>why they are wrong, why the war is immoral, and what should be done about 
>it.  Nor can we possibly say that a group -- the American electorate -- is 
>not morally responsible for the war.  Why, that would be to contend that 
>capitalists have completely subverted democratic government...
>
>
>Bob Illyes wrote:
>>...
>>1) Israel is simply America's proxy.
>>2) America is simply Israel's proxy.
>>3) American and/or Israeli governments are consistently on the side of 
>>evil.
>>4) Palestinians are not as responsible for the chaos in Gaza and the West 
>>Bank as are Israelis, but are rather as pure as wind-driven snow.
>>5) Democrats are to the right of Republicans.
>>6) Capitalists have completely subverted democratic government.
>>
>>These all are blanket statements about groups, and are no more appropriate 
>>than racism or anti-semitism. It is not the group that is morally 
>>responsible, but the individual. As Mort might put it, this sort of talk 
>>leads to more heat and less light.
>>
>>If we are to reach both sides of the isle, and Jews as well as Gentiles, 
>>this sort of over-generalization should not be in our literature. If there 
>>is substantial evidence that there is something to any of these claims 
>>(which I doubt), we should give our readers the evidence and let them draw 
>>the conclusion, rather than looking down our noses at them and assuming 
>>that they aren't smart enough to understand where the evidence leads.
>>...
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