[Peace-discuss] Re: News notes, for the AWARE meeting 2007-06-03
n.dahlheim at mchsi.com
n.dahlheim at mchsi.com
Wed Jun 6 09:49:26 CDT 2007
David,
You nailed it right on the head. I concur wholeheartedly.
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From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: News notes, for the AWARE meeting 2007-06-03
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:22:26 +0000
> Jewish organizations offer the service to American elites of distracting
> attention from their motives and crimes, and profiting from the credibility of
> the association of the "genocide" in Darfur with the Holocaust. It's really
> nothing more than an extension of what Finkelstein calls the "Holocaust
> Industry," and ultimately it is about supporting the U.S.-Israel agenda. Other
> organizations are given the choice of either joining or being perceived as
> insensitive to the legacy of the Holocaust, which is "never again" selectively
> applied. They either willingly join, cave, or silently abstain without
> questioning the obviously cynical motives involved, which are still perceived as
> impolite. The Jewish leaders who started "Save Darfur" care no more about dead
> Africans now than they did when they supported South African-Israeli supplied
> rampagers in Mozambique and Angola in the 1980s, who killed millions. Their
> campaign is in no way intended to be effective. Locally, the decision
> by the U of I Board of Trustees to divest from corporations doing business with
> Sudan is almost more laughable than hypocritical vis a vis Iraq, Israel,
> Caterpillar, etc. Does anyone think that they would pass such a grandstanding
> measure if real money for Illinois-based corporations were involved? Sudan is
> very minimally dependent on foreign investment, and China stands by to
> compensate, willingly. And ultimately, Chinese influence is arguably the major
> factor in play here, and will only be countered by military intervention, to the
> detriment of those in Darfur.
>
> DG
>
> "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> What the Jerusalem Post article pointed out is that the "Coalition" was
> organized by elements of the pro-Israel lobby in the US. "Coalition" is
> a term currently favored by groups that want to pretend that they're not
> directing something alone (cf. "Coalition Provisional Authority").
>
> The article appeared a year ago last April, at the time of the
> Washington rally, when the NAACP was apparently not yet represented on
> Save Darfur's Board of Directors. They told the Jerusalem Post that
> "they were publicizing the rally but had not become part of the
> coalition or signed the Unity Statement declaring Save Darfur's objectives."
>
> I'm sure many of the supporters of Save Darfur do so "for the purest of
> intentions," and the original organizers have worked hard to convince
> many groups of their interpretation of the situation. What that
> interpretation is was set out by Mahmood Mamdani on Democracy Now the
> other day, as follows:
>
> "Darfur is a place without history, Darfur is a place without politics.
> Darfur is simply a dot on the map. It is simply a place, a site, where
> perpetrator confronts victim. And the perpetrators name is Arab, and
> the victims name is African. And it is easy to demonize."
>
> And the misrepresentation is not innocent. Rather it serves the
> interests of US/Israeli policy to demonize and put pressure on
> recalcitrant "Arab" governments, particularly those with oil.
>
> The direction of Save Darfur seems nevertheless to be where it was a
> year ago. On Saturday, the NYT (mentioning again the parallel with
> Kosovo, object of Clinton's propaganda) reported that
>
> "...aid groups working on the ground in Darfur ... opposed some of the
> tone and content of Save Darfurs high-decibel advocacy campaign.
> Coalition board members sought to minimize the dispute, saying that
> tensions had existed between advocates and aid workers in previous
> crises, like Kosovo, and that the organizations rapid growth and
> changing membership had motivated the boards decision to remove the
> director, David Rubenstein. 'We are grateful for the extraordinary job
> he has done and wish him the best in his search for new opportunities
> for public service,' said Ruth W. Messinger, president of the American
> Jewish World Service and a Save Darfur board member, who declined to
> discuss the reasons for Mr. Rubensteins dismissal."
>
> A year ago the same two people were at the center of Save Darfur,
> according to the Jerusalem Post:
>
> "The coalition's roots go back to the spring of 2004 following a
> genocide alert, the first ever of its kind, issued by the United States
> Holocaust Museum. An emergency meeting was coordinated by the American
> Jewish World Service, an organization that serves as a kind of Jewish
> Peace Corps as well as an advocacy group for a variety of humanitarian
> and human rights issues. At the meeting, which was attended by numerous
> American Jewish organizations and a few other religious groups, it was
> decided that a coalition would be formed based on a statement of shared
> principles...
>
> "David Rubenstein, the director or 'coordinator,' as he prefers it, of
> the coalition ... says that the Jewish community has been
> 'extraordinarily responsive and are really providing the building for
> this thing,' and yet he insists that the coalition has worked "very,
> very hard to be inclusive, to make sure there are people beyond the
> usual suspects.'
>
> "This is a sentiment echoed by Ruth Messinger, president of American
> Jewish World Service and one-time Manhattan borough president and
> Democratic mayoral candidate for New York City. The world service and
> Messinger personally have been at the forefront of planning for the
> rally. Much of the Jewish turnout has been a result of her lobbying
> efforts."
>
> I don't buy the Mearsheimer-Walt thesis that the pro-Israel lobby (by no
> means composed exclusively of Jews) has turned US policy away from its
> real interests. It works strenuously wihin the US to support the role
> Israel plays as a US client. And to see Save Darfur as an effort by
> that lobby is far from "a major major distortion."
>
> Regards, CGE
>
>
> Scott Edwards wrote:
> > Carl:
> >
> > I don't deny that there are a number of Jewish organizations, and other
> > religious groups, invloved in the SDC. But to go from there to identify
> > it as an Israeli lobby is a major major distortion, and sort of
> > insulting to the people who came together for the purest of intentions,
> > and who continue to fight for justice with the purest of intentions.
> >
> > Also, and not likely the first time, but the Jersulem Post article is
> > just wrong. For instance, not only is it wrong that the NAACP isn't
> > involved--but ***they are on the board of directors***.
> >
> > (see: http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/board_of_directors)
> >
> > And, of course, in responding to these characterizations in the past
> > I've identified about 20 Muslim/Arab groups also a part of the SDC
> >
> > (see: http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/organizational_members).
> >
> > And of course, not only are many of the victims of the atrocities in
> > Darfur Muslim--but they also identify as Arabs. This isn't an ethnic or
> > religious conflict. Rather, as other perpertrators in the world have
> > done and continue to do, the government inflames tension, violence,
> > mistrust, group boundaries, and facilitates and perpertrates violence
> > for its own political gain.
> >
> > There is plenty of room to talk about policy options, Carl. I have
> > resisted more than a couple policy choices by the SDC. But to attack the
> > motivations of people because they are Jewish or whatever is the same
> > sort of stoking of passions that I just identified. I know these people,
> > work with them on occasion, and break bread with them. They are not
> > lobbyists for anything that I am not, and I am not a lobbyist for
> > anything but a world where all states respect inalienable human rights.
> > That includes the USG, the GoS, or any state for that matter.
> >
> > best,
> > scott
> >
> >
> > *****************
> > Scott Edwards
> > Country Specialist for Sudan
> > Amnesty International, US
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: "C. G. Estabrook"
> >> To: Scott Edwards
> >> CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: News notes, for the AWARE meeting
> >> 2007-06-03
> >> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:05:12 -0500
> >>
> >> Scott Edwards wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "the Save Darfur Coalition, an Israeli lobby front group active in
> >>> the US."
> >>>
> >>> Are you kidding? I'm sure you're just joking, but I wanted to be
> >>> sure. This is the type of baseless rhetoric I'd expect from the
> >>> administration, so I figure you're being tongue-in-cheek. If so,
> >>> hilarious! If not, you are chasing ghosts in the dark, my friend.
> >>
> >> The source of the Coalition is hardly in doubt. The following is from
> >> the Apr. 27, 2006, internet edition of The Jerusalem Post, the
> >> conservative Israeli paper:
> >>
> >> "...the coalition, which has presented itself as 'an alliance of over
> >> 130 diverse faith-based, humanitarian, and human rights organization'
> >> was actually begun exclusively as an initiative of the American Jewish
> >> community. And even now, days before the rally, that coalition is
> >> heavily weighted with a politically and religiously diverse collection
> >> of local and national Jewish groups ... the Jewish Community Relations
> >> Council, a national organization with local branches that coordinate
> >> communal activity all over America, has put on a massive effort to bus
> >> people to Washington ... Besides the Jewish origins and character of
> >> the rally - a fact the organizers consistently played down in
> >> conversations with The Jerusalem Post - the other striking aspect of
> >> the coalition is the noted absence of major African-American groups
> >> like the NAACP or the larger Africa lobby groups like Africa Action
> >> ... The coalition's roots go back to the spring of 2004 following a
> >> genocide alert, the first ever of its kind, issued by the United
> >> States Holocaust Museum. An emergency meeting was coordinated by the
> >> American Jewish World Service, an organization that serves as a kind
> >> of Jewish Peace Corps as well as an advocacy group for a variety of
> >> humanitarian and human rights issues...
> >>
> >> "The fact that the aggressors in Darfur are Arab Muslims - though it
> >> should be said that the victims are also mostly Muslim - and are
> >> supported by a regime in Khartoum that is backed by the Arab League
> >> has made some people question the true motives of some of the Jewish
> >> organizations involved in the rally."
> >>
> >> --CGE
> >
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