[Peace-discuss] "Conspiracy theories"

[n.dahlheim at mchsi.com]

First point...  The official account claims that the 3 WTC buildings that fell on 911 collpased due to fire.  
Steel reinforced concrete structures have never collapsed because of fire either before or since.  The 
pancake theory advanced by Popular Mechanics simply does not work given the conservation of 
momentum----the pancake theory would not result in a free fall speed collapse; rather, it would slow the 
speed of the falling debris.  Furthermore, it cannot explain the total disappearance of the core of 47 steel 
columns in each of the 110 story towers.  And, we still haven't even gotten to WTC 7.


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    "Chas. 'Mark' Bee" <c-bee1 at itg.uiuc.edu>
To:      <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Conspiracy theories"
Date:    Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:21:13 +0000

> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <n.dahlheim at mchsi.com>
> To: "Neil Parthun" <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>
> Cc: <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:14 PM
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Conspiracy theories"
> 
> 
> > Neil,
> >    What about the "conspiracy theory" of 19 Arab hijackers run by a guy in 
> > a cave fooling the world's best
> > air defense system and causing 3 buildings to fall into dust in NEw York 
> > City when hit by 2 planes.
> 
>   There simply isn't any problem with that.  I wish there were, but there's 
> not.
> 
> 
>  Read
> > "New Pearl Harbor" or "911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" 
> > or "Debunking 911
> > Debunking" by Dr. David Ray Griffin.
> 
>   Yes, we're quite aware there are a few individuals making money off of 
> these hoaxes.
> 
> 
>   It will open your eyes.  In addition, the Bush Administration has lied
> > about practically everything they have done; and save for Condi Rice 
> > nobody in the Administration's  inner
> > circle testified openly before the 911 Commission.  What did they have to 
> > hide?
> 
>    See below.
> 
> 
>   Why should we believe the
> > official version of 911 when the Bush people clearly used it to advance 
> > their own nefarious agenda?
> 
>   That's not a real reason not to believe it.  Please exercise proper mental 
> hygiene, you're getting chocolate in your peanut butter.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> "The following are all uncontroversial facts reported in the mainstream 
> media:
> 
> On or about Jan. 20th, 2001, as the Clinton administration transitioned
> to the Bush, NSC chief Sandy Berger briefed Condi Rice extensively on the
> terrorism threat posed by bin Laden, telling her she would be spending
> more time on this threat than she ever imagined. At the Dept. of Defense,
> William Cohen was performing the same courtesy for Don Rumsfeld, again
> with a sharp reminder of the terrorist threat in the form of a hand-written
> letter to Rumsfeld containing the phone numbers of people in the Pentagon
> Rumsfeld needed to speak to directly on the subject. On Jan. 26th, the CIA
> confirmed to the new Bush administration that bin Laden and Al Qaeda were
> responsible for the attack on the U.S.S. Cole which killed 17 American
> sailors.
> 
> The response of the Bush administration was to cease Predator drone
> surveillance flights to track bin Laden, reassign the cruise-missile
> equipped submarine stationed in the Indian Ocean with the specific mission
> of targeting bin Laden, reassign the AC-130 gunships on scramble alert that
> could be on top of bin Laden after a six hour flight, suspend the special
> forces operations targeting bin Laden already based in Uzbekistan for the
> purpose thanks to a treaty signed by Bill Clinton.
> 
> In May, June and July, the sole remaining Clinton appointee, CIA Director
> Tenet, was frantic with concern over incoming intelligence indicating a huge
> terrorist attack on American soil. Vice-President Dick Cheney was head
> of a
> new counter-terrorism task force, yet held no meetings. Attorney General
> John Ashcroft refused FBI requests for hundreds of new agents to be assigned
> to counter-terrorism; his concerns were drugs and pornography, yet in late
> July he stopped flying commercial airliners due to a "threat assessment."
> The general threat assessment was considered to be the most severe in 
> decades
> according to CIA's Tenet; members of the Senate Intelligence Committee were
> briefed on the situation on July 5th.
> 
> Also in July, an Arizona FBI agent wrote the 'Phoenix Memo,' expressing
> concern about possible Al Qaeda members taking flying lessons in this
> country towards the end of terrorist attacks. One of the two FBI officials
> to see it before the attacks was New York counter-terrorism chief John
> O'Neill; contemporaneous with the timing of this memo was O'Neill's remarks
> to the authors of 'Bin Laden: The Hidden Truth,' wherein O'Neill expressed
> his outrage with the Bush administration's thwarting of counter-terrorist
> efforts in the interests of protecting its Saudi sponsors. John O'Neill
> would soon quit the FBI in disgust, only to die at his new job as chief of
> security at the WTC.
> 
> Also in July, the FAA rescinded the rule allowing airline pilots to be 
> armed,
> a rule that had been in force since 1961.
> 
> August found George W. Bush 'vacationing' for the entire month in rural
> Texas, while Dick Cheney similarly spent the month in rural Wyoming. On
> August 1st actor James Woods as flying from Logan to Los Angeles, sharing
> 1st class with four Middle Eastern men, who ate nothing, drank nothing,
> read nothing, nor slept the entire flight, only making occasional low
> comments to one another. Woods remarked to the flight attendant that 'These
> guys act like they're going to hijack the plane,' and once the plane landed
> he repeated his concerns to the FAA. All four men were hijackers on Sept.
> 11th. On Aug. 6th, Bush himself was apparently finally briefed about the
> specific threat of attacks on American soil. His vacation continued. On Aug.
> 17th, the Minneapolis FBI office arrested Zacarias Moussaoui, on the basis
> of an expired student visa and very curious pilot training requests. FBI
> field agents at this office were convinced of Moussaoui's intentions as a
> terrorist, and repeatedly tried to obtain a FISA (Foreign Intelligence
> Surveillance Act) warrant to search his computer. In early Sept., French
> Intelligence informed both the CIA and the FBI that Moussaoui had Al Qaeda
> connections. A FISA warrant remained ungranted against Moussaoui, even
> though under Clinton and Janet Reno no FISA request had been refused.
> 
> As an interesting aside, before 9/11 Ashcroft was known to put in 3 1/2 day
> work weeks at the Dept. of Justice. In the early months of the 
> administration,
> FBI agents flew to Ashcroft's home in rural Missouri to obtain his signature
> on a wire-tap for a terrorism investigation. Ashcroft was so displeased to
> see the agents, he had them stand out in the cold while he sat in his pickup
> to read and sign the documents.
> 
> On Sept. 4th, Cheney's counter-terrorism task force met for the first time.
> According to the Pentagon's liaison for terrorism, Gen. Kerrik, Clinton's
> had met almost weekly, but with Bush he "didn't see that same kind of 
> focus."
> On Sept. 10, Diane Feinstein, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee
> briefed on July 5th, asked Dick Cheney's chief of staff Scooter Libby when
> the administration would start focusing on these terror threats which had
> so pre-occupied CIA's Tenet, the most severe in decades - she was told it
> would have to wait another six months.
> 
> So, obviously, it's all Clinton's fault.
> 
> Pre-9/11 And The Bush Administration. It's All Clinton's Fault, Right?
> 
> by Kent Southard
> 
> 
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