[Peace-discuss] Gravel on Iran resolution: PBS

[n.dahlheim at mchsi.com]

Should there be a nuclear exchange with Iran where the U.S., likely with some assistance and prodding 
from the Israelis, nukes Iran; the Fourth Reich will establish itself as the most demonic empire in human 
history.  Forget Rome, forget the Mongols, forget the Nazis, forget the Stalinists....  When you compound 
our addiction to war and genocide because of racism and the pure desire to enrich the large banks and 
corporations that own this country with the supremely environmentally destructive culture in which we 
live, I think the United States officially deserves whatever condemnations it will receive.  
           Nick


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From:    "LAURIE SOLOMON" <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
To:      <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Gravel on Iran resolution: PBS
Date:    Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:26:29 +0000

> His reference to a nuclear exchange does not necessary mean between Iran has
> a nuclear capability; it could mean that the conflict could spread in which
> the US, Israel, etc. could nuke Iran, which might result in Russia, China,
> etc. coming to Iran's aid with nuclear weapons.  In short it could inflame
> the region in which all kinds of secondary players could get involved.  But
> not all exchanges are or need to be symmetrical.  It very well could be an
> asymmetric nuclear exchange in which Iran would be on the receiving end
> only.
> 
>  
> 
> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Jenifer
> Cartwright
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:59 PM
> To: Barbara kessel; Peace Discuss
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Gravel on Iran resolution: PBS
> 
>  
> 
> Nuclear exchange???? So Mike Gravel believes Iran DOES have nuclear
> capability after all? People I trust say Iran is a minimum of 5 years away
> from that. Or maybe he means Pakistan would get into it??
> 
>  
> 
> He's right that attacking Iran would set in motion a chain of events that
> would do the US more harm than good, in addition to being immoral,
> unethical, unnecessary, and (probably) illegal.
> 
>  
> 
> Jenifer  
> 
> Barbara kessel <barkes at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> October 02, 2007
> 
> 
> Sen. Gravel Say AIPAC Is Pushing Confrontation With Iran
> 
> I keep declaring that the Walt and Mearsheimer is historic, that it has
> blasted down a wall in the American discourse. I keep getting more
> evidence.
> 
> The following exchange took place on the Jim Lehrer News Hour last night
> ,
> between presidential candidate (and former Alaska Sen.) Mike Gravel and
> PBS's Ray Suarez. What is most significant about this is that the
> question of Israel's interest versus America's interest in confronting
> Iran is out on the table, on public television:
> 
> RAY SUAREZ: You're 77. Why put yourself through this?
> 
> MIKE GRAVEL: I love my country, and I love the human
> race. And I want to see a change made in the
> leadership of our country so we can do more to protect
> the human race....With respect to my country going to war
> when there's no reason to go to war, killing human
> beings, I'm ashamed of this.
> 
> I'm ashamed of the leadership we have, whether it's
> Democratic leadership or Republican leadership. That's
> the reason why I'm in.
> 
> Look what we're trying to do with Iran right now. Last
> week, the Lieberman resolution -- he's the guy that
> wrote the resolution with Iraq and killed over 3,000
> Americans and a million Iraqis. And now he comes
> forward with another resolution, and the leadership of
> the Democratic Party in the Senate doesn't even have
> the brains or the judgment to recognize what he's
> doing. Sanctions on the Republican Guard? They already have
> sanctions. The U.N. passed them in March, Resolution
> 1747. What is the game they're playing right now to
> have sanctions? I mean, this was AIPAC that put
> Lieberman up to do this. This is disaster...
> 
> If we touch Iran and they respond, you're talking
> about, in the minimum, a world depression, because the
> oil industry will just get shut down at the Straits of
> Hormuz. That's the minimum.
> 
> RAY SUAREZ: You're saying that the national
> legislature of this country, rather than doing the
> will of the citizens of the United States, passed that
> Iran resolution, sanctioning the Republican Guard,
> because of the American- Israeli Political Action
> Committee?
> 
> MIKE GRAVEL: Wait a second. They'll be some
> information coming out about how this thing was
> drafted. So the answer is yes, the short answer.
> 
> The worst that will happen will be a nuclear exchange,
> and I don't think we'll ever be able to contain once
> they start shooting bombs at each other nuclear
> devices. This is what's at stake with this resolution.
> And it's the height of immorality, irresponsibility,
> and the United States Senate, with the Democrats in
> charge, voted for the passage of this resolution. It
> doesn't get any worse than that, Ray.
> 
> Posted at 12:57 PM in Books
> , U.S. Policy in
> the Mideast
> 
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