[Peace-discuss] Anti-war march winds through Loop

[Laurie at advancenet.net]

 This is an interesting reply that has much meat for discussion and
 sociological analysis.
 
 That "these rallies sustain hope and provide a sense of solidarity" is
 possibly true; but it is so primarily a function of such rallies for
 the choir and maybe an outside independent observer doing an analysis
 and not so for opponents and adversaries of those who support the
 rallies or those who are not currently involved.  The problem, as I see
 it, occurs when those who engage in the rallies tend to focus their
 efforts primarily on the performance of those establishment and
 maintenance of hope and/or solidarity functions with only secondary
 interest and attention to other functions and tasks like being
 effective in the changing the course of history or even to the
 exclusion of these objectives and goals.  Often the establishing of
 priorities between these various functions is what underlies the
 factional fights between participants in this movement and all
 movements.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> > bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Morton K. Brussel
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:48 PM
> > To: n.dahlheim at mchsi.com
> > Cc: Peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anti-war march winds through Loop
> >
> > These rallies sustain hope and provide a sense of solidarity. Whether
> > they will be effective in changing the course of history is another
> > story, but the struggle must go on, despite the frustrations, the
> > rightward shift of government, the dominance of monied élites, and
> > the failure of the constitutional ideals in our politics---the waning
> > of democracy. .
> >
> > Do what you can. The revolution is not for tomorrow.
> > One talks of the pessimism of the mind, but the optimism of the
> heart

> >
> > --mkb
> >
> > On Oct 30, 2007, at 9:23 PM, n.dahlheim at mchsi.com wrote:
> >
> > > These anti-war rallies that occurr bimonthly do not impress me---
> > > they are
> > > diversions that last for only
> > > a small fraction of a single day.  Until people really get together
> > > and launch a
> > > sustained protest (ie WWI
> > > vets who constructed the Hooverville tents on the Washington Mall
> > > in the 1930s)
> > > will anything serious
> > > be done about the war, the obliteration of the Constitution, an
> > > investigation
> > > into the Bush
> > > Administration's role in perpetrating the 911 attacks, the
> > > unabashed support for
> > > the uberwealthy, the
> > > continued deterioration of respect for science (especially climate
> > > change), and
> > > the overall wasting of the
> > > Treasury and neglect of the public services sector.  Until
> > > protestors can unite
> > > on ALL of these issues
> > > (911 is still very important) and sustain a LONG demonstration with
> > > large
> > > numbers of people from all
> > > walks of life; I hold out little hope for demonstrations moving the
> > > Congress or
> > > the government to
> > > respond (and such responses might be nastier than Kent State, MOVE,
> > > Waco, or
> > > Seattle)....
> > >     So, unless people get on the broader page and make real
> > > sacrifices for
> > > collective action; I see no
> > > change in the current downward spiral of the tatterd shards of the
> > > once
> > > promising American Republic.
> > >                 Nick
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
> > > From:    "Robert Naiman" <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> > > To:      "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anti-war march winds through Loop
> > > Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:47:03 +0000
> > >
> > >> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-
> > >> rallyoct28,0,4350674.story
> > >>
> > >> Anti-war march winds through Loop
> > >> Thousands gather in Chicago -- and across the country -- to
> protest
> > >> the United States' continued involvement in the war in Iraq
> > >>
> > >> By Gerry Smith
> > >>
> > >> Tribune staff reporter
> > >>
> > >> October 28, 2007
> > >>
> > >> Leonore Lee was among the thousands rallying in Chicago on
> > >> Saturday to
> > >> protest the war in Iraq. Amid the crowd carrying signs marching
> down
> > >> Ashland Avenue, the 65-year-old from Milwaukee called the event
> "the
> > >> most powerful expression of power to the people."
> > >>
> > >> "It shows our solidarity and makes me love this country even
> > >> more," she said.
> > >>
> > >> The day of speeches and demonstrations was part of a national day
> of
> > >> action demanding an end to the five-year-old conflict.
> > >>
> > >> Police estimated about 5,000 people attended the event, which
> > >> began in
> > >> Chicago's Union Park before winding through the Loop and ending at
> > >> Federal Plaza.
> > >>
> > >> The Chicago rally, one of 11 planned nationwide, drew protesters
> > from
> > >> eight Midwestern states and included local political figures such
> as
> > >> U.S. Reps. Danny Davis, Luis Gutierrez and Jan Schakowsky.
> > >>
> > >> Police arrested three protesters, who were charged with disobeying
> > an
> > >> officer and resisting arrest while on their way to join the rally,
> > >> said Chicago police spokesman Pat Camden. One of the arrests
> > involved
> > >> damage to property and another involved battery to a police
> officer,
> > >> Camden said.
> > >>
> > >> During the rally in Union Park, where about 2,000 protesters
> > >> assembled, Schakowsky called for cutting off funding for the war
> and
> > >> an immediate decrease in the number of American troops stationed
> in
> > >> Iraq.
> > >>
> > >> "The American people have had it with this war," she said. "We've
> > >> given war a chance. Now let's give peace and negotiation a
> chance."
> > >>
> > >> After turning on Jackson Boulevard, protesters marched into the
> Loop
> > >> and descended on Federal Plaza, where they were met by more than
> 20
> > >> counterprotesters wavin
> > > g American flags and holdings signs that read,
> > >> "You keep fighting there, we've got your back here."
> > >>
> > >> Counterprotester Beverly Perlson, 50, of Oak Lawn, said her son
> > >> was on
> > >> his fourth deployment in Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne
> > Division.
> > >>
> > >> "I'm proud of my son's service," she said. "Just in case he sees
> > this
> > >> on TV, I want him to know that we still love him and support him."
> > >>
> > >> James Redden, 31, a former soldier from Oak Park, sided with the
> > >> anti-war protesters, saying he was against the Iraq war from its
> > >> inception because he didn't believe the Bush administration's link
> > >> between Al Qaeda and Iraq.
> > >>
> > >> "The whole idea that we can establish democracy there through the
> > >> barrel of an M-16 is just bogus," said Redden, who said he served
> in
> > >> Kuwait during Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003.
> > >>
> > >> Among the other protests nationally, the one in San Francisco
> > >> appeared
> > >> to draw the largest crowd, as more than 10,000 labor union
> members,
> > >> anti-war activists, clergy and others rallied near City Hall
> before
> > >> marching to Dolores Park. Other rallies were planned for New York,
> > >> Boston, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City Seattle, and Los Angeles.
> > >>
> > >> In Chicago, the protesters spanned generations, ranging from 11
> Oak
> > >> Park and River Forest High School students to more than a dozen
> > >> members of the activist group "Raging Grannies." One member, Nancy
> > >> Guenther, 62, of Pardeeville, Wis., feared the Bush administration
> > >> planned to invade Iran next.
> > >>
> > >> "It's the same rhetoric as Iraq," she said. "They're playing their
> > >> war
> > >> games behind closed doors."
> > >>
> > >> During the Vietnam War, George Reeber of Ludington, Mich., took
> his
> > >> daughter, Beth Valone, 44, to protests in Washington and Detroit.
> On
> > >> Saturday, he stood with Valone and her 13-year-old son Connor, who
> > >> wore a bandanna that said, "Where's the rage?"
> > >>
> > >> "Why aren't more people mad about the war?" Connor said. "Some
> > people
> > >> just don't seem to care."
> > >>
> > >> Marsda Conner, 72, of Oak Park, held a sign saying "Billions for
> > War:
> > >> No More!" Conner complained that Democratic lawmakers were
> ignoring
> > >> voters who gave them a majority in Congress with the hope that
> they
> > >> would bring a swift end to the war.
> > >>
> > >> "We're here to provide them with some backbone so they'll deny
> funds
> > >> for this war and start negotiating with Iran and Syria," said
> > Conner,
> > >> who is a member of the anti-war group Code Pink.
> > >>
> > >> Also attending the rally was Iraqi Raed Jarrar, 29, who fled the
> > >> violence in Baghdad two years ago and now works as a Middle East
> > >> consultant in Washington.
> > >>
> > >> Jarrar, whose father is Sunni and mother is Shiite, said the
> > conflict
> > >> in Iraq is more political than sectarian, and that most Iraqis are
> > in
> > >> favor of a timetable for an American troop withdrawal.
> > >>
> > >> Debbie Volonec, 54, who arrived at the rally with 50 other
> > protesters
> > >> from West Lafayette, Ind., said such events needed to be more
> > >> frequent
> > >> if they were going to have an impact.
> > >>
> > >> "We are going to keep it up until we get the guys home and get out
> > of
> > >> this mess," she said.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Robert Naiman
> > >> Just Foreign Policy
> > >> www.justforeignpolicy.org
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