[Peace-discuss] The Clinton/Bush generation

[n.dahlheim at mchsi.com]

Laurie,
    I absolutely loved this post, and you took the words right out of my mouth.  Make your no-vote a 
very loud no-vote.  Let people know that you don't like being pandered to by reptilian politicians who 
shapeshift like chameolons as shills for a corporate imperial agenda wrecking the environment and the 
lives of the global proletariat.  People badly need some historical perspective.  America isn't the country 
depicted in Disney films and amusement parks.  Oh, and don't forget C. Wright Mills when discussing 
your list of political theorists.  Wow, I appreciated your perspective.  Finally, someone who doesn't 
subscribe to the "we'll just elect Obama and things will get better" approach to the 2008 political 
"elections."  Keep your politics local and build survival networks of conviviality in Champaign-
Urbana---the more people voluntarily drop out of the system the better.  We need alternatives that 
don't drain our precious time, talent, and wealth (not just $).  Fighting through the system is no longer 
feasible----that is what 9/11 should teach us.  The construction of local economies that don't feed the 
federal, global corporate capitalist tapeworm will be vital to the future; it also means you participate 
less in environmental degradation and the exploitation of people abroad living on the margins of the 
global economy.  Visit www.solari.com----it has some excellent ideas for real political action that will 
make for a brighter future.  Time's a' wasting, and we need to focus here on these issues so that 
communities will survive the devouring tapeworm with its rapacious appetite for all that is good and 
wholesome.

      Best,
     Nick


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    "LAURIE SOLOMON" <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
To:      <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Clinton/Bush generation
Date:    Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:49:36 +0000

> > There are few things more disgusting in contemporary US politics than 
> 
> > a Democrat slavering for a Clinton Restoration.  Bush is in fact a 
> 
> > thoroughly worthy purveyor of the Clinton legacy, as Bill Clinton 
> 
> > himself was of Bush I/Reagan. A pox on both their houses. --CGE]
> 
>  
> 
> As for me, I think that there is nothing more disgusting than U.S. politics
> in general - both contemporary and past historic U.S. politics.  Even in the
> good old days when and if the Democrats represented labor and the poor while
> the Republicans represented the wealthy and business; all were pragmatic
> supporters of the established order who were essentially reformers who
> sought changes on the periphery and never question basic premises.  Now that
> labor unions have become corporate organizations with large organizational
> bureaucracies of their own just like big business and have similar vested
> interests in maintaining the establishment values and power structures as
> long as they see themselves as getting their fair share of the power and
> booty, we have a circulation of elites as described by political theorists
> like Parato, Mosca, and Schumpeter where only the names of the parties are
> changed to protect the guilty.  
> 
>  
> 
> In America everyone seeks to become petty bourgeois middle class white
> collar bureaucrats, to be white and respectable, to be rational and
> responsible, and to be the proud owner of a portion of the American dream
> even if it means it comes at someone else's expense - especially if they are
> not white, are poor, and lack power.  So I will actively exercise my
> decision making in terms of U.S. elections but by not casting my vote for
> any of the candidates.  Hopefully, things will get so bad that people in the
> U.S. will be forced to question and treat as problematic their basic core
> values and presuppositions so as to engage in a revolutionary redesigning of
> their goals, values, and processes and stop believing in symbols and
> rituals.  Just like global warming, if they fail to do something, there will
> be a deserved Hobbesian world in which there will be a war of all against
> all in which life will be nasty, brutish, and short.  When you participate
> in a rat race, you are a rat whether you win or lose.
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> 
> > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss- 
> 
> > bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:43 PM
> 
> > To: Peace Discuss
> 
> > Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Clinton/Bush generation
> 
> > 
> 
> > [There are few things more disgusting in contemporary US politics than 
> 
> > a Democrat slavering for a Clinton Restoration.  Bush is in fact a 
> 
> > thoroughly worthy purveyor of the Clinton legacy, as Bill Clinton 
> 
> > himself was of Bush I/Reagan. A pox on both their houses. --CGE]
> 
>  
> 
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