[Peace-discuss] War crime

[Laurie at advancenet.net]

Well Nick, I was not referring merely to the actions of those that you note
but also to the actions of politicians, officials, and governments.  The
economic leadership certainly played their part in encouraging and
supporting the preconditions for WWII and the actions of the Germans; but
they were not alone.  The various limitations imposed on the losers of WWI
by the winners of WWI as well as other political, territorial, and economic
factors also created an atmosphere that was provocative and conducive to
starting another war.  Demands for reparations by the winners of WWI from
the losers of WWI were one of those factors.

But your post is a good one.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of n.dahlheim at mchsi.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:10 PM
> To: Laurie at advancenet.net
> Cc: Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] War crime
> 
> Well, it is a fact that several major American and British corporations
> and uber-wealthy individuals
> invested heavily in the rearmament of Nazi Germany.  Prescott Bush, in
> his high position with Brown
> Brothers Harriman, was the personal banker for the industrialist Fritz
> Thyssen who was the primary
> German financier of the Nazi regime.  Prescott also owned a ball
> bearings factory attached to
> Auschwitz.  The factory and the banking assets were seized in 1942 by
> the federal government under
> the Trading With the Enemy Act.
> 
> Alfred Sloan of GM was also a major backer of Hitler, and although less
> vocal than Ford in his racism,
> was probably much more influential among American auto executives in
> supporting the Nazi regime.
> 
> Rockefeller interests strongly backed Hitler through significant
> stakeholds in petrochemical giant IG
> Farben.
> 
> Rothschild interests in London strongly backed Hitler via Montagu
> Norman's support for the Nazi
> regime through their BIS contact Schaact....
> 
> So, yes while Allied interests didn't directly cause WWII; they
> certainly abetted the rise of fascist
> totalitarinism in Europe during the 1930s.
> 
>         Nick
> 
> 
> ----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
> From:    "Laurie at advancenet.net" <laurie at advancenet.net>
> To:      "'C. G. Estabrook'" <galliher at uiuc.edu>, <peace-
> discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] War crime
> Date:    Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:52:02 +0000
> 
> > Statements are so easy to make and good quotes are so very easy to
> come up
> > with; but it comes clear in the light of historic actions that they
> are
> > mainly rationalizations and legitimizing explanations that people use
> to
> > justify their own behaviors while condemning others' behaviors.  One
> should
> > have asked Jackson why the U.S. government and its officials were not
> taken
> > to take under the law for starting many of the Indian wars.  It
> couldn't
> > have been because the white man won or could it?
> >
> > To further play devil's advocate, one could questionably make a case
> for the
> > fact that the Allies at the conclusion of WWI set the conditions that
> > provoked the start of WWII, although not necessarily the strategies,
> > tactics, and inhumane behaviors.  How again did the indiscriminate
> inhuman
> > violence perpetrated against certain classes or populations of
> civilians by
> > the Germans differ from that the Americans against the American
> Indians, the
> > Japanese-Americans, against Mexican-Americans and the Chinese in
> America,
> > the residents of Dresden, or the cities on which the atomic bombs
> were
> > dropped?  One does not have to restrict this to the U.S.; one can
> turn to
> > the Spanish Inquisition, the UK in Northern Ireland or India, the
> French in
> > Algeria, etc.
> >
> > It is all about power politics where the winner defines the rules of
> right
> > and wrong.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-
> discuss-
> > > bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:16 PM
> > > To: Peace Discuss
> > > Subject: [Peace-discuss] War crime
> > >
> > >
> > > We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their
> fallen
> > > leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they
> > > started it.
> > > --U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, U.S. representative to
> > > the international Conference on Military Trials, August 12, 1945
> > >
> > >
> > > To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an
> > > international crime; it is the supreme international crime
> differing
> > > only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the
> > > accumulated evil of the whole.
> > > --Nuremberg War Tribunal regarding wars of aggression
> > >
> > >
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