[Peace-discuss] Re: Urbana City Council meeting last night -- what's in a name?

Wed Apr 16 16:58:37 CDT 2008

Thank you, David and Ricky, for the help with this.  I think that the 
Mr. Brumleve I know is another individual entirely.  I was confused, 
though, when I saw the name standing alone.  I also thought that 
whoever said the name the first time may have confused it with the 
Dunleve person.

Thanks for clearing it up.

Karen

At 03:59 PM 4/16/2008, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>I know him.  He is a neighbor of mine, and I have talked with him in 
>his home (a very
>painful hour and a half or so, of the kind we generally reserve for 
>persons of Mr
>Brumleve's age and mental state - I say this without an ounce of 
>meanness, but out of
>real compassion for someone who is very confused and frustrated and 
>suffering from
>obvious mental 'issues': the News-Gazette's disgenuous editorial 
>about him made him
>sound about 300 percent more coherent than he is).  He has been to 
>AWARE meetings as
>well, way back.
>
>Ricky
>--- David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > His name is Brumleve, and he is the one submitting these shows. I 
> don't know anything
> > about him personally, and I have not seen the shows. They do 
> sound objectionable,
> > although my view is that they present no danger to anyone. There 
> is plenty of
> > nonsense to go around, much of it having much more dire consequences.
> >
> >   David Green
> >
> > Karen Capel <kcapel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >   Pardon my butting in, but is this discussion about a Mr. Dunleve or a
> > Mr. Brumleve?
> >
> > In case there is a mix-up, I think that it might be appropriate to
> > get a name straight before you start flinging condemnation,
> > name-calling, and threatening lawsuit.
> >
> > I happen to know a Mr. Brumleve, and he seems anything but "a
> > crackpot" worthy of a "lawsuit." And he probably wouldn't look very
> > kindly on this discussion with his name being used if it's been
> > improperly interjected.
> >
> > Could someone please clarify this for me? Thanks.
> >
> > Karen Capel
> >
> > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> >
> > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:29:52 -0700
> > From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana City Council meeting last night
> > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> >
> > How ridiculous. Brumleve is a crackpot, of course. But suffice it
> > to say that if there was a show that told the awful truth about the
> > ethnic cleansing of Palestine, from 1948 to the current day, then the
> > same folks would be labeling that "hate speech" too.
> >
> > What really is sad is that because of their hyper-sensitivity and
> > complete lack of perspective, the local Zionist self-pity partyers
> > put everyone else through an evening that sounds like having to go to
> > three Bar Mitzvahs. Now you know what we have to deal with.
> >
> > DG
> >
> >
> > Karen Medina wrote:
> > The Urbana City Council met Monday night. The meeting was about
> > UPTV and Mr. Dunleve's hate speech dvds from David Duke. The meeting
> > went on for 4-1/2 hours (7pm-11:33pm).
> >
> > UPTV was #8 on the agenda, so people stood through the long
> > presentation about the plan for the Boneyard. They stood through a
> > public arts report and proposal. They stood through the combining of
> > the conflicting revisions of the arts proposal. And literally dozens
> > of people spoke on the hate speech vs. free speech issue (they were
> > given 5 minutes apiece). The other points made were: hate speech
> > leads to violence possibly of some unstable person who watches and
> > then decides that the Jews are to blame for everything, that
> > vandolism and grafiti have already been a problem for years, that
> > Dunleve did not have copyright permission for a long time and that he
> > had removed the titles and credits on the shows so that nobody could
> > tell where he was getting the stuff for a long time, that the city
> > could be sued, that tax money should not go toward this, and how
> > horrible it was to know that someone out there wanted to kill them.
> >
> > Around 10:45, the Council paused the UPTV discussion and rushed
> > through the remaining 7 items on the agenda. Then returned to the
> > UPTV discussion again, giving the last 6 people who wanted to talk
> > about 2 minutes apiece. Durl Kruse was the next to last to speak. He
> > mentioned that no tax money is involved, that it comes from the cable
> > agreement. He also mentioned that the issue was not really hate
> > speech vs. free speech, but I forget what he did say it was (forgive
> > me). Durl did well to show compassion and understanding to entire 
> community.
> >
> > The public discussion was not acted on, but will pick up again in 2
> > weeks. The council members were all too tired. The lawyer for the
> > city was asked to look in to a few issues and prepare a report. I
> > think it was Charlie Smythe who asked "Could a group of people sue
> > Mr. Dunleve". The lawyer said "I can give you a quick answer right
> > now." But they decided that it would be best to wait on that issue as well.
> >
> > The media was there. Channel 15's camera left around the time the
> > open topics finished. The News-Gazette and WILL stayed throughout.
> > And a few TV people stayed, but I don't think there was a camera with
> > them (there might have been).
> >
> > It had been grueling. The Urbana City Council Chambers were packed.
> > Standing room only at the beginning, then large pockets of people
> > stood in the hallway for a long time. Dwindling over the extended
> > time, there were finally enough seats for anyone who wanted one.
> >
> > After the meeting was adjourned, on the way out the door, one man
> > told Durl that since the City Council Chambers were used for some of
> > the filming of UPTV content, that tax money was involved. A parking
> > lot discussion with Durl and some of the community involved may have
> > led to some other ideas.
> >
> > -karen medina
> >
> >
> >
> >
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