[Peace-discuss] Re: Esther

[Karen Medina]

Membership in a group does not mean that each member agrees 100% with the 
"group." Except in AWARE, where we always agree on absolutely everything. 

Seriously though, all groups make mistakes. Individuals make mistakes. 
Individuals can change their opinions. Thank goodness. Groups are made up of 
individuals, so groups can change their opinions as well.
 
BTW, I have completely changed my opinion from my posts last week on the 
issue of the UPTV... thanks to peace-discuss. And thinking through a few 
things. 

If Esther has made a mistake, I am sure that a conversation with her would be 
worth the effort. She has said and done some amazing things.

-karen medina

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:43:16 -0500
>From: "Brussel Morton K." <mkbrussel at comcast.net>  
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Esther  
>To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
>Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>
>Yes, Esther Patt has done many good progressive things in the  
>community, but she has become a part of the Democratic party  
>structure which seeks at times mainly to maintain its electoral  
>status, and in that she has regressed from progressive principles.  
>The opposition of the Democrats, now led by Laurel  Prussing, to the  
>current issue of whether IRV should be allowed to be discussed in the  
>community or the City Council via a referendum has all the earmarks  
>of political control and not of good democratic politics.
>
>No one should be exempt to just criticism. I thought Bob Ilyes  
>comment was humerous and not particularly offensive.
>
>--mkb
>
>
>On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>
>> anyone who has been an activist in this community for any length of
>> time knows that esther patt has been a longtime stalwart of
>> progressive efforts here.
>>
>> it's inappropriate for people to use these wires for personal attacks
>> on her (or anyone else.) this doesn't have anything to do with
>> promoting peace. it doesn't belong here.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:01 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>>> Did they take the turkey to the Wildlife Clinic to see if it had  
>>> bite marks
>>> on it anywhere?
>>>
>>>  I had 4 of the wild turkeys in my backyard one day.  I didn't  
>>> corner them
>>> but I did walk around them and take some
>>>  pictures.  I found them relatively non-threatening.  I am not  
>>> sure if I
>>> walked around Esther Patt with a camera at similar
>>>  angles that the outcome would be as favourable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Bob Illyes wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I know, there is only one Esther Patt in town, Wayne.  
>>>> She's
>>> active in the ACLU, the UIUC Tenant's Union (which I think she  
>>> founded), and
>>> was recently on the Urbana City Council.
>>>>
>>>> Esther was attacked by one of Urbana's wild turkeys a while back.  
>>>> I don't
>>> know what Esther did to provoke the turkey. The battle over wild  
>>> turkey
>>> removal seems to have been a proxy war between the two major  
>>> parties, with
>>> Republicans siding with the turkeys, so perhaps we have an  
>>> explanation for
>>> the attack.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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