[Peace-discuss] [Fwd: [ronpaul-269] Fw: FBI Torture Cover-Up?]

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Wed Apr 23 19:30:32 CDT 2008


I received this from one of the members of the Ron Paul Meetup network 
and thought
it might be of some interest here.

Wayne

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Subject: 	[ronpaul-269] Fw: FBI Torture Cover-Up?
Date: 	Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:42:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: 	Paula Anderson-Ferg <pfanderson6 at msn.com>
Reply-To: 	ronpaul-269 at meetup.com
To: 	ronpaul-269 at meetup.com



I am forwarding this in case anyone else is interested in contacting our 
local news media or congressmen.   Two weeks is little time to find 
information that could be crucial to the hearing the Judiciary Committee 
will hold but this could be a chance to try to make a difference so I 
thought I wouold pass it along. 
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Congressman Robert Wexler <mailto:contact at wexlerforcongress.com>
*To:* pfanderson6 at msn.com <mailto:pfanderson6 at msn.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:23 PM
*Subject:* FBI Torture Cover-Up?


Dear Paula,

This morning, during a hearing in the House Judiciary Committee, I 
questioned FBI Director Robert Mueller on his agency's response to 
claims - made by his own FBI agents - that the CIA was torturing 
prisoners.  I wanted to find out why, if the FBI's own agents had 
alleged illegal actions were taking place, there was no investigation 
into the CIA's illegal and immoral practices.

*Mueller's responses, which I would like you to read below, create new 
concerns and call for further investigation in the days ahead.*

I believe Mr. Mueller owes more to Congress and the American people than 
the half-answers he gave in his testimony today.
 
*I would urge you to contact the editors and news departments of your 
local media and ask them to look into the responses below. * It is 
critical that this discussion takes place beyond emails and blogs – and 
is covered by the mainstream media.

In two weeks the Judiciary Committee will be holding hearings to 
investigate the fact that the highest levels of the Bush Administration 
sanctioned and ordered the torture of prisoners in United States 
custody.  This is intolerable and we must vigorously oppose this policy 
that demeans our nation and offends our conscience.

Please read the below transcript of my exchange with Mr. Muller.

This is a deeply troubling interchange which should be alarming to all 
Americans.

*Congressman Robert Wexler
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(TRANSCRIPT:)

*Robert Wexler*: Thank you Mr. Chairman. Mr. Director, in January of 
2006, the New York Times reported that the NSA wireless wiretapping 
program had produced thousands of leads each month that the FBI had to 
track down, but that no Al-Qaeda networks were discovered. During a July 
17, 2007 briefing, FBI deputy director John Pistole indicated that the 
FBI was not aware of any Al-Qaeda sleeper cells operating in the United 
States. In August of 2007 Congress passed the Protect America Act, 
giving the intelligence community greater access to electronic 
communications coming into and out of the United States. I have two 
questions in this regard.

*RW:* Has the FBI found any sleeper cells yet? One…

*RW: *Two. Has the NSA’s wireless wiretapping programs either before the 
Protect America Act or after led to the prosecution and conviction of 
any terrorists in the United States?

*Robert Mueller: *Well, as to your first question as to whether we have 
found affiliates or, as you would call them, cells of Al-Qaeda in the 
United States, yes we have. Again, I cannot get into it in public 
session, but I would say yes we have. With regard to the relationship of 
a particular case or individual to the terrorist surveillance program, 
again that is something that would have to be covered in a closed session.

*RW: *Alright, Mr. Director. An LA Times article from October, 2007 
quotes one senior federal enforcement official as saying quote “the CIA 
determined they were going to torture people, and we made the decision 
not to be involved” end quote. The article goes on to say that some FBI 
officials went to you and that you quote “pulled many of the agents back 
from playing even a supporting role in the investigations to avoid 
exposing them to legal jeopardy” end quote.

*RW:* My question Mr. Director, I congratulate you for pulling the FBI 
agents back, but why did you not take more substantial steps to stop the 
interrogation techniques that your own FBI agents were telling you were 
illegal? Why did you not initiate criminal investigations when your 
agents told you the CIA and the Department of Defense were engaging in 
illegal interrogation techniques, and rather than simply pulling your 
agents out, shouldn’t you have directed them to prevent any illegal 
interrogations from taking place?

*RM:* I can go so far sir as to tell you that a protocol in the FBI is 
not to use coercion in any of our interrogations or our questioning and 
we have abided by our protocol.

*RW:* I appreciate that. What is the protocol say when the FBI knows 
that the CIA is engaging or the Department of Defense is engaging in an 
illegal technique? What does the protocol say in that circumstance?

*RM:* We would bring it up to appropriate authorities and determine 
whether the techniques were legal or illegal.

*RW: *Did you bring it up to appropriate authorities?

*RM:* All I can tell you is that we followed our own protocols

*RW:* So you can’t tell us whether you brought it; when your own FBI 
agents came to you and said the CIA is doing something illegal which 
caused you to say don’t you get involved; you can’t tell us whether you 
then went  to whatever authority?

*RM:* I’ll tell you we followed our own protocols.

*RW: *And what was the result?

*RM:* We followed our own protocols. We followed our protocols. We did 
not use coercion We did not participate in any instance where coercion 
was used to my knowledge.

*RW: *Did the CIA use techniques that were illegal?

*RM*: I can’t comment on what has been done by another agency and under 
what authorities the other agency may have taken actions.

*RW:* Why can’t you comment on the actions of another agency?

*RM:* I leave that up to the other agency to answer questions with 
regard to the actions taken by that agency and the legal authorities 
that may apply to them.

*RW:* Are you the chief legal law enforcement agency in the United States?

*RM: *I am the Director of the FBI.

*RW:* And you do not have authority with respect to any other 
governmental agency in the United States? Is that what you’re saying?

*RM:* My authority is given to me to investigate. Yes we do.

*RW:* Did somebody take away that authority with respect to the CIA?

*RM:* Nobody has taken away the authority. I can tell you what our 
protocol was, and how we followed that protocol.

*RW:* Did anybody take away the authority with respect to the Department 
of Defense?

*RM:* I’m not certain what you mean.

*RW:* Your authority to investigate an illegal torture technique.

*RM:* There has to be a legal basis for us to investigate, and generally 
that legal basis is given to us by the Department of Justice. Any 
interpretations of the laws given to us by the Department of Justice….
(talking over each other)

*RW:*  But apparently your own agents made a determination that the 
actions by the CIA and the Department of Defense were illegal, so much 
so that you authorized, ordered, your agents not to participate. But 
that’s it.

*RM: *I’ve told you what our protocol was, and I’ve indicated that we’ve 
adhered to our protocol throughout.

*RW:* My time is up. Thank you very much Mr. Director.




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