[Peace-discuss] Hedges: only a candidate who calls for an immediate end to the war...

[Neil Parthun]

I have read your statements.

All I've seen is "McCain or NOT McCain" and stating that McCain would  
be worse.  Why?

Both candidates have talked about usage of the military in an  
imperial fashion.

Both candidates have talked about a continued (if not permanent)  
presence of United States troops in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Both are not interested in ending the war and immediately withdrawing  
all soldiers.

Both are interested in continuation of domestic spying and giving  
immunity to telecommunications.

Both are interested in increasing the military budget and the size of  
the military for future interventions.

Both candidates are against single payer health care and support the  
disease industry of American 'medical care'.

The Democrats have voted for the Patriot Act.  They voted to  
eviscerate the 4th Amendment and give telecoms immunity from their  
illegal actions.  They voted for the authorization of force.  They  
appointed the conservative justices to the SCOTUS.  They've had years  
of opportunities to stop the wars and not cede power to the  
President.  Yet, that's exactly what they've done and continue to do.

For all those who have died (and will die under an Obama Presidency),  
it is highly disrespectful to the dead and the future dead to put  
their lives in the balance on the basis of a wish, a hope and a lark  
that Obama could possibly be pulled to end the orgy of bloodshed and  
violence.

There is only this moment,

      Neil

  We absolutely have to refuse to attribute any kind of permanency to  
that which is simply because it is.
[angela v. davis, 1944-]

The point is, the only real tools we have are our eyes and our heads.  
Its not the act of seeing with our own eyes alone; its correctly  
comprehending what we see.
[warren ellis, 1968-]

On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:

I've mentioned issues besides foreign policy (which has a better  
chance w/ Obama than McCain). Please reread my earlier posts. Thanks.
  --Jenifer

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Hedges: only a candidate who calls for  
an immediate end to the war...
To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Cc: "AWARE Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 11:55 AM

Why can't he/we be serious?

Obama has stated that he is all for imperial wars and the frequent  
use of the military to fight the so-called "war on terror".  We can  
hope that we can affect changes within an Obama presidency that he'll  
actually be pulled left but that's not "hope we can believe in".

Please show us why we're wrong here rather than platitudes like "I'm  
glad you're voting in Illinois" and asserting that we cannot be serious.

There is only this moment,

      Neil

  We absolutely have to refuse to attribute any kind of permanency to  
that which is simply because it is.
[angela v. davis, 1944-]

The point is, the only real tools we have are our eyes and our heads.  
Its not the act of seeing with our own eyes alone; its correctly  
comprehending what we see.
[warren ellis, 1968-]


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