[Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket Pardons

Thu Dec 11 15:45:30 CST 2008

So much for passive resistance, eh, Wayne??
 --Jenifer

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket Pardons
To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Cc: "'John W.'" <jbw292002 at gmail.com>, "LAURIE SOLOMON" <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 3:30 PM

Certainly the critic, partly as prophet, partly as teacher, plays an important role, but
good prophesying exhorts to action.  I appreciate your insightful critiques, Laurie, but
finally we must take action.

I was immediately reminded of this  quote---

“It is not the critic who counts; 
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, 
or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. 

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, 
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, 
who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again;
because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; 
but who does actually strive to do the deed; 
who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, 
who spends himself in a worthy cause, 
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement 
and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. 
So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls 
who know neither victory nor defeat.”

Jenifer Cartwright wrote: 

Ahhh, well, that certainly explains what's at the root of my difficulties w/ so many of the peace-discuss contributors: they're social critics who see their role as analysis, period!!! No interest or focus on solutions, just critical analysis. Wow. Thanks, Laurie, very enlightening!
 --Jenifer

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, LAURIE SOLOMON <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:

From: LAURIE SOLOMON <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket Pardons
To: "'John W.'" <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:26 PM

I don’t think we can do so from within the system; the probabilities of doing so from outside the system are very slim for the present.  I think that the economy, environment, and government need to get a whole lot worse before anything will be possible; so we probably should be contributing to making things a whole lot worse in order to realistically stand a change of changing thins for the better.

However, I do not see it as the social critic’s job to do anything more than analyze situations; they have no obligation to furnish solutions or courses of action to remedy flaws and problems that their analysis suggest.  Social criticism is analysis (taking apart to understand the working so as to reveal strengths and weaknesses, it is not merely  being negative – although there is rarely any reason to point out the good in social criticism since thoswe factors are typically already known and accepted).  

From: John W. [mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:27 AM
To: LAURIE SOLOMON
Cc: E. Wayne Johnson; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; unionyes
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket Pardons

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:13 AM, LAURIE SOLOMON <LAURIE at advancenet.net> wrote:

I am inclined to concur with this.  I think that such an effort could only come from either someone who has supreme confidence in the system and its working in a just and ethical fashion and faith in the integrity of the players or someone who is a fool.  Take your pick.  People seem to enjoy playing Candide rather than face realities.

Dear Laurie,

Please list all of the ways in which, in your opinion, we as individuals can realistically make a positive difference in the world.  Here, I'll get you started:

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 From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of E. Wayne Johnson
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:49 AM
To: unionyes
Cc: Peace-discuss List
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket Pardons

Interesting.

But note that Congress had good reason to Impeach Bush and go after his gang,
but they did not.

The most obvious reason why they did not go after Bush was that the opposition party wanted to retain
the Anti-constitutionally broadened Executive powers, and let the aspersions for doing that fall on Bush.

So what makes you think that all your cards and letters are going to make the opposition party go
after Bush now that the reins of government power are falling into their hands?  They have little
to gain by pursuing Bush at this point.

unionyes wrote: 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: theteam at peaceteam.net 

To: activist.thepen at gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:39 AM

Subject: Support The Nadler Initiative Against The Planned Bush Blanket Pardons

Ask Your House Member To Co-Sponsor H.Res.  1531 Against The Bush Preemptive Pardons

Another day, another non-denial denial that Bush is planning midnight preemptive blanket pardons for his entire gang, including himself.  In an article in the New York Times the other day, current attorney general Mukasey is quoted as asserting it would not be "necessary".  Please take careful note he did not say it wouldn't happen, because unless we speak out now it WILL.

The best shot we have is H.Res.  1531 which puts the administration on clear notice that there will be strong push back from Congress if they attempt such a scurrilous stunt.  Please submit this action page to ask your House member to sign on as a co-sponsor of this measure.

Support H.Res.  1531 Action Page:  http://www.usalone.com/hres1531.php 

We all know that George Bush as someone without even the guts to face his own music, he who sent more that four thousand brave Americans to their senseless graves, for a premeditated and knowing lie in Iraq, tens of thousands of American crippled and mutilated for life, trillions looted from our economy, and he doesn't even have the simple courage to risk the accountability of having to defend his numberless crimes in a fair trial.

It is now known that Nixon seriously considered pardoning himself, but even he was not THAT despicable.  George Bush most certainly is.  And remember that his administration has been infested with Nixon era cronies like Cheney and Rumsfeld, so it is no surprise that the malfeasance of the Nixon era has been magnified in the last eight years.

Nixon infamously said, "If the president does it that means it is not illegal", conveniently after his own blanket pardon by the way.  That has been their creed.  The entire Bush administration has been one ongoing criminal enterprise since day one, a wrecking ball to the Constitution and rule of law, with torture, illegal surveillance, obstruction and perversion of justice in the firing of U.S.  attorneys, not to mention national level election fraud, the naked treason of outing Valerie Plame, and on and on.

And the only way we can make sure nothing like this EVER happens again is to demand full accountability, so that all America truly understands what a miserable, lying, cowardly creep we were so foolish as to allow get away with stealing two successive presidential elections.

Please call on your members of Congress to immediately sign on to H.Res.  1531, and let's have a real national debate on the coming greatest outrage of all, before they get away with that too.

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