[Peace-discuss] Fw: Fight for just treatment of all workers

Wed Dec 17 16:41:25 CST 2008

>Imho, this is a perfect example that some activists need to learn
when/where/how to apply pressure, and remember who their friends and enemies
are. >No possible good can come from humiliating and pissing off those who
already support you!! These guys lost a whole lot more than they gained,
duh.

I do not know if this is or was a perfect example; but I do agree with you
the not just some activists but many activists need to learn and accept the
practicalities of daily political life in order to either make effective use
of the system or effectively disrupt the system rather than being overly
idealistic, overly optimistic, and overly moralistic "men and women from La
Mancha."

From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Jenifer
Cartwright
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:22 PM
To: Peace-discuss List; John W.; unionyes
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Fight for just treatment of all workers

Well, that wasn't MY take on the story -- Conyers tho't the activists should
have been protesting in the offices of those members who weren't already on
their side, not pushing him, Conyers (who was on their side) and expecting
him to accomplish miracles on his own -- he was working on getting necessary
support from others in his committee but didn't have the votes. Here's the
link:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/34921

Imho, this is a perfect example that some activists need to learn
when/where/how to apply pressure, and remember who their friends and enemies
are. No possible good can come from humiliating and pissing off those who
already support you!! These guys lost a whole lot more than they gained,
duh.

 --Jenifer

--- On Wed, 12/17/08, unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net> wrote:

From: unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Fight for just treatment of all workers
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "John W."
<jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 7:26 AM

When and what situation was that John ?

Not that I am doubting you, just wanting to know some facts for my own info.

David J.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: John W. <mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>  

To: unionyes <mailto:unionyes at ameritech.net>  

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 AM

Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Fight for just treatment of all workers

"The single most important thing that we can do to help manufacturing, to
help retirees, to help working people, to help our children and
grandchildren and our communities is fight for universal health care."
Can't disagree much with that.  But I'll just mention that the last time the
"grassroots" tried to provide John Conyers with support/pressure for one of
his own initiatives - the impeachment of the Butcher in the White House -
Conyers turned on them like a rabid dog, and then ran away from his own
former principled position like a scared rabbit.  So much for grassroots
support...

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM, unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net> wrote:

----- Original Message ----- 

From: GreggShotwell at aol.com 

To: undisclosed-recipients: 

Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:41 AM

Subject: Fight for just treatment of all workers

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said Detroit's Big Three automakers
have a $2,000 per vehicle cost disadvantage over their foreign rivals --
largely because of legacy and benefits costs. "Let's get rid of that cost
disadvantage," Romney told "Meet the Press."

The Republicans want to destroy the unions. The Democrats want to keep them
in the corral. We do not have a Labor Party in America. We are the leaders
we have been waiting for. This issue isn't solely about auto workers, or
union organized workers, it's about all workers.

The single most important thing that we can do to help manufacturing, to
help retirees, to help working people, to help our children and
grandchildren and our communities is fight for universal health care.
Retirees don't have any excuses not to show up for marches, sit-ins, or
letter writing campaigns. The Obama health care plan is inadequate for our
needs. John Conyers' bill HR-676 is set up and ready to roll. He just needs
support from the grass roots. Conyers will be pressured to back down and go
along with Obama's plan. We should all write to John Conyers, express our
appreciation for his perseverance in this struggle for Health Care Justice,
and encourage him to stand his ground and don't back down. Half way measures
will not work. All retirees need assurance of health care. All workers would
be in a better bargaining position if they were assured of basic health
care. Our children and grandchildren will have a brighter future if we
fulfill our responsibility to them. The generation that introduced two tier
wages owes it to the next generation to fight like hell for universal single
payer health care. Let's make HR-676 our legacy to them.

Thirty-nine state AFL-CIO federations, over 100 Central Labor Councils and
400 local unions have endorsed HR-676, John Conyer's "Expanded and Improved
Medicare for All" bill. [www.johnconyers.com/healthcare] The first step is
to unite the huge reservoir of support for single payer in thousands of
local unions and labor bodies.  To take that step, a number of labor
federations and unions are planning a national meeting of labor
organizations that
support HR 676,"Medicare for All." >  Labor for Single-Payer Healthcare
Meeting      
                                                   January 10-11, 2009
                                                   The Crowne-Plaza -
Downtown St. Louis
For additional information> www.laborforsinglepayer.org
<http://www.laborforsinglepayer.org/>   
or contact Organizing Committee Coordinator Mark Dudzic at  201-314-2653 or
mdudzic at igc.or <mailto:mdudzic at igc.org> g

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